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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:11 PM
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An excerpt of Vonnegut's wisdom
Emphasis is original. Attributions in red are added by me.
"...I think it's a heartless government that will let one baby be born owning a big piece of the country, the way I was born, and let another baby be born without owning anything. The least a government could do, it seems to me, is to divide things up fairly among the babies. Life is hard enough, without people having to worry themselves sick about money, too. There's plenty for everybody in this country, if we'll only share more." said Eliot Rosewater.

"And just what do you think that would do to incentive?" asked his father, the Senator.

"You mean fright about not getting enough to eat, about not being able to pay the doctor, about not being able to give your family nice clothes, a safe, cheerful, comfortable place to live, a decent education, and a few good times? You mean shame about not knowing where the Money River is?"

"The what?"

"The Money River, where the wealth of the nation flows. We were born on the banks of it--and so were most of the mediocre people we grew up with, went to private schools with, sailed and played tennis with. We can slurp from that mighty river to our hearts' content. And we even take slurping lessons, so we can slurp more efficiently."

"Slurping lessons?"

"From lawyers! From tax consultants! From customers' men! We're born close enough to the river to drown ourselves and the next ten generations in wealth, simply using dippers and buckets. But we still hire the experts to teach us the use of aqueducts, dams, reservoirs, siphons, bucket brigades, and the Archimedes' screw. And our teachers in turn become rich, and their children become buyers of lessons in slurping."

"I wasn't aware that I slurped."

Eliot was fleetingly heartless, for he was thinking angrily in the abstract. "Born slurpers never are. And they can't imagine what the poor people are talking about when they say they hear somebody slurping. They don't even know what it means when somebody mentions the Money River. When one of us claims that there is no such thing as the Money River I think to myself, "My gosh, but that's a dishonest and tasteless thing to say."


"It's still possible for an American to make a fortune on his own." said his father.

"Sure--provided somebody tells him when he's young enough that there is a Money River, that there's nothing fair about it, that he had damn well forget about hard work and the merit system and honesty and all that crap, and get to where the river is. 'Go where the rich and the powerful are,' I'd tell him, 'and learn their ways. They can be flattered and they can be scared. Please them enormously or scare them enormously, and one moonless night they will put their fingers to their lips, warning you not to make a sound. And they will lead you through the dark ot the widest, deepest river of wealth ever known to man. You'll be shown your place on the riverbank, and handed a bucket all your own. Slurp as much as you want, but try to keep the racket of your slurping down. A poor man might hear.'"

From God bless you, Mr. Rosewater, copyright 1965
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:19 PM
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1. well said by Mr. V.
I met him once years ago...attended a lecture he gave and it was just amazing.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:21 PM
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2. Hey, welcome to DU!
:hi:

I would love to have seen one of his lectures. I've read a lot of his essays which, sadly, strike me as somewhat uneven in quality. But there's no denying the man's wit or skill for satire.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:23 PM
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3. Vonnegut weirdness today... and Chesterton.
This week I've been reading Cat's Cradle,
almost finished.

Today I came across an EcoWise gift called
Cat's Cradle, which is a book describing
how to make string figures with your hands
and fingers, coming with three different
colored kinda thick elastic strings. Very
cool.

I couldn't turn it down, you know.

Anyway, Cat's Cradle is great, an easy and
enjoyable read, yet the way it deals with
religion, government, societies, and perceived
wisdom is wonderful and thought provoking.

I keep thinking: what an unusual mind and
imagination Vonnegut had.. a true one of,
totally original.

Every time a pearl of Bokononism comes up,
I think about my life and try to see if it
applies.. even if it is all lies... LOL.
The primary premise of the book is that all
religions are a pack of lies.

Well.. maybe the lies are in the details..
but there is such great Truth out there both
in religion and in Vonnegut's version of
Bokononism.

So now I'm a Vonnegut fan, and I have to thank
this board for that.. because I read so many
of the posts here after he died and I knew I
would start reading him soon.. and now I am.
Smiles.

Also, with regard to religion, I've started
watching the Father Brown series with Kenneth
More, based on the stories by G K Chesterton.
Also great.

The little pearls of wisdom from Fr Brown are
just as great.

There is no man so danerous as one who thinks
he knows the will of God. That one immediately
made me think of George W Bush.

And then there was what the father said about
the perspectives from which a person views
human beings and how this perspective forms
her/his attitudes and ways of treating people
and even thinking about God.

One perspective is standing on the top of the
church spire and looking down, where people
look small and indistinguishable. From that
perspective it's easy to be cruel, murderous,
greedy, and harmful to others.

The other perspective is from the bottom looking
up, down with all the other humans who are beside
you and have faces. You know you are all in the
same boat together, you develop love and relationships,
you know you will support each other against the
ones looking down.

Just great!

Sue
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:37 PM
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4. i'm re-reading 'Jailbird' now
and enjoying it. Most of my copies are paperback, or i read ones checked out from the library through the years. I own several of his books in hardback that i've held one to through the years.

After his death i started watching the used book stores for hardbacks of his works that i had, and picked them up as i found them. I intend to collect as many as i can find of his work for my own 'library'.

They are so easy to pick up again and read for pure pleasure.

gods bless you Mr. V.
dp
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:40 PM
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5. Cat's Cradle was a revelation for me ....
It opened my mind to free form literature, which my catholic-schooled mind had not yet experienced ....

Will I be found lifeless, lying on my back, using a copy of Cat's Cradle as a pillow, thumbing my nose at you know who ?

Who can know ?

Please note the avatar .... most have no idea what it is ...
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:47 PM
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6. i do
:rofl:

dp
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:47 PM
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7. It's a picture of Bush...
...and all people who think they are better than other people -- assholes.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:49 PM
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9. DEFINITELY what I first thought of ....
Bush = * = Asshole ....

Here is an excerpt:

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:49 PM
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8. Read all of the Father Brown stories 25 years ago.
Time to reacquaint myself with his pearls of wisdom.

Oh... and a hearty recommend to KV and the OP as well.

:kick:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 09:06 AM
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10. Man, I miss him.
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