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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:08 AM
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The tally of how senators voted tonight goes as follows...
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 12:24 AM by Seen the light
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00215

Reid's vote was procedural and later changed to a yea.

YEAs ---52
Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Brownback (R-KS)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

NAYs ---35
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Corker (R-TN)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting - 12
Alexander (R-TN)
Biden (D-DE)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagel (R-NE)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Smith (R-OR)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Wyden (D-OR)
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:10 AM
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1. Time to get rid of the DINO Reid.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:13 AM
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11. Reid was a NO vote BUT switched to YES so he can later call the same legislation back to a vote if
necessary. It is procedural. I saw Frist have to do this also.

Reid is NOT a true vote against the legislation.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:11 AM
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2. Explain this to me, Reid voted no?
What is the interpretation of that? (Am I missing something here?)
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:12 AM
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8. That's a procedural move. Learned that when watching the Judicial filibusters
Trent Lott would actually side with those who were looking to filibuster. I probably won't explain it right but it is a procedural move that allows Reid to keep the vote open while trying to get votes converted. At the last minute then he'll switch his votes.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:13 AM
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13. Yes, it's a procedural thing. He changed from "Aye" to "Nay" so that he could reopen the issue.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:17 AM
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26. Lott would do it all the time with the Judical nominations
I know there is a name for it. But seeing Reid's name in the "NO" means that this issue isn't dead yet.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:11 AM
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3. Before people have a hissy fit, theres a reason Reid is with the "NO"
it's a procedural thingie that has a name but it's incase of a filibuster it allows him to keep the vote open while he tries to get more "YES" votes. His final vote will have him switching.

But of the 12 who did not vote - how will they go. All of the "D" lok safe to me, it's the rest that concern me.

I just wish this was after the new senate was on board - this wouldn't be an issue.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:12 AM
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5. Exactly right nt
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:13 AM
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9. Ok, I figured it was something procedural
thanks for posting
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:13 AM
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12. Thanks for explaining that
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:18 AM
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30. lol, beat me to it
I was just typing to explain the same thing, because i knew people were going to have a hissy fit.

What kills me is we might have gotten there if Reid had waited until Kerry got back from the UN conference and Obama hadn't resigned his Senate seat. It's not really Obama's fault though...he figured he would be busy with transition and that it would be better to let Blagojevich appoint a successor quickly who could be there for votes and who would get a leg up on seniority. There's no way he could have known that Blago was instead going to try to sell his Senate seat.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:21 AM
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37. What about Hagal or Sununu?
I mean at this point neither have anything to lose. Hagel can be a wildcard and Sununu is a moderate.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:11 AM
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4. testor voted against it? He was on Ed Shultz the other day stating how the failure of
the american auto industry would kill the mining business in his state! What is wrong with that guy.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:14 AM
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15. They don't stand up to the libertarians
That's the problem out here. Stupid libertarians, and anarchists, who are against everything that comes out of Washington. Ron Paul meets Ralph Nader types. Gah.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 01:12 AM
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58. Yeah I know. He sounded good in the hearing the other day
He talked about the double standard (AIG v. the Big Three) and he sounded like he was on our side. My guess is that he changed his vote when it seemed like it would not matter, because the idea of the bailout is unpopular and he won by such a narrow margin that he is worried. I bet he would have been with us if his vote would have mattered.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:12 AM
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6. .
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 12:13 AM by enigmatic
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:14 AM
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16. :D <<<hugs>>>>
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 12:17 AM by LynneSin
Ugh, I'm so glad i watched all those Judicial filibusters on C-Span. Trent Lott would do the same thing. He would vote with those filibustering as a procedural move to allow him to spend time getting more support for the side voting YES
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:12 AM
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7. The votes should have been there
Kennedy could have come in. Add Kerry, Biden, Wyden, Smith, Sununu, Hagel. That's 7. Reid makes 8. Right? And Baucus, Tester and Lincoln, good lord. When will Democrats stop being anti-union.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:19 AM
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35. Kennedy and Kerry were not present.
I'm not even sure if they're both in the country at the moment.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:26 AM
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47. Kerry is in India.....as far as I know from what I've read on DU....n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 02:43 AM
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59. Right, that is why the vote is being held open -- because they
need Kerry's vote. Also they need Kennedy's vote. I suspect that Obama might be able to get Hagel to vote for it if he really tried. There are several votes that might possibly get switched. This is not a lost cause. There are a lot of reasons for doing this. John Snow and Dan Quayle are two major ones. They are among the wealthy who have interests in Cerberus Management which owns 51% of GM or GMAC.

This is a bargaining ploy to push the unions down. That is all it is. The big GOP backers will lose a lot of money if GM goes down the tubes. It isn't going to happen. The owners of GM want the company to go into bankruptcy so that they can free it from the pension obligations before Obama takes office. Obama promised to make it so that companies cannot default on pension obligations by going bankrupt and through certain other such maneuvers.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:33 AM
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55. They could have been
If necessary, that's all I'm saying.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #7
51. Three Democrats voted against - and you ask when Democrats stop being
anti-union?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:32 AM
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54. Democrats meaning people
In states like Arkansas and Montana. That's why they voted no, their anti-union constituents. Arkansas led the way in busting unions 20 years ago. You'd think they'd figure out why those same jobs are mostly gone now, but nope. Still at it apparently, don't know why else Lincoln voted against this.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:13 AM
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10. Why did Biden not vote?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:16 AM
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25. He was in DC earlier, maybe Reid though he would not be needed?
Who knows, Reid apparently did not have this worked out very well.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:18 AM
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31. I'm sure he would have made sure he was there if his vote would have been the
deciding vote, but it wouldn't have mattered, and I'm sure he has many urgent thing to deal with as VP.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:14 AM
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14. why wasn't Kerry there? And I heard that Hagel thought that he might vote for it?
what gives?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:15 AM
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18. Kerry is in Poland, iirc
At a very important climate conference.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:16 AM
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21. Someone said Kerry is overseas. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:22 AM
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42. Kerry is in Poland at the global warming talks
where he is officially representing the Senate and unofficially seen as representing Obama.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:15 AM
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17. What I don't understand is why they don't actually make them filibuster?
It used to be that the minority opposing closure actually had to hold the floor by presenting interminable speeches continuously until the majority actually gave up. Since there is no other business before the Senate, Reid could keep them there through New Years Day.

Instead, the weasels just give up.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:16 AM
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22. Because that's not the way it works anymore
Operative words in your post, "used to be".
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:17 AM
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27. Yeah, half of them would keel over in an hour or two.
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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:15 AM
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19. I can't believe TESTER voted NO!!!
I am so disappointed in him.. i really liked him.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:16 AM
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24. Me, too.
What's up with that??
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:19 AM
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33. Montana is another one of those so called "rugged individualist" states
That take A LOT more in federal money than they give back in taxes.

Same sort of freeloading that goes on in the Southern states.

(At least, that's what THEY WOULD (AND DO) CALL IT when the situations are reversed).
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:15 AM
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20. Collins and Snowe, the Maine moderate Repubs voted yea which is good but why did Montana's
Baucus and Tester vote nay?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:16 AM
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23. Reid changed his vote for procedural reasons, so it was really 53 in favor
What kills me about this is I think we could have had the votes if we had kept our caucus in line. Biden said he would be there if his vote was needed (I heard he was in DC today just in case) so that would have gotten us to 54...I know Kerry is overseas and I guess Kennedy was not well enough to be there so I'll give them a pass. No idea why Wyden was not there...he could have gotten us to 55. Then if we held the 3 Dems who betrayed us that would have been 58, and I bet at least one of them would have voted differently if it would have been the deciding vote. If members were not so friggin' anxious to go home they could have waited until Kerry got back from his trip to the UN conference, and that would have gotten us to 59, which might have been all we needed, because it's technically 3/5 of all Senators, not 60. With the vacancy in Illinois there are 99 senators, which means 3/5 is 59.4
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:18 AM
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29. Reid messed up in th e counting of the votes, what an idiot
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:17 AM
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28. Thanks For Posting This
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 12:22 AM by Dinger
NAYs ---35
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Corker (R-TN)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting - 12
Alexander (R-TN)
Biden (D-DE)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagel (R-NE)
Kennedy (D-MA)*Exception made, & get well Teddy; we need you!
Kerry (D-MA)
Smith (R-OR)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Wyden (D-OR)]/b]
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:19 AM
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34. You missed a few Ds
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 12:25 AM by DireStrike
Tester, Lincoln

yay fixeded =D
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:23 AM
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43. Thanks, I Think I Fixed It
:)
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:19 AM
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32. Not to be totally snarky and mind you, I still can't stand the guy but Lieberman - Yes
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:21 AM
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36. I was just going to point that out
Right now I am a lot more pissed with the 3 Dems who voted no. Although I bet they would have voted differently if their votes would have been the deciders. At least the ones from Montana...not sure about Lincoln (D-Walmart). I don't know why Reid didn't wait until Kerry got back from Poland...if he had been there we'd have had a shot.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:22 AM
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40. but if Reid voted "NO" can't he reopened this when Kerry returns?
it's not dead yet. And I still bet we could get Hagel and/or Sununu
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:24 AM
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46. Theoretically yeah
But it sounds like they are not planning on coming back together until the new Congress.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:31 AM
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53. UUUUGGGGGGHHHHH Why can't we make the switch now
:cry:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:28 AM
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50. They didn't have the votes
Had it come down to one vote Reid ikely would have called Kerry to return and had the vote tommorow - what was clear is that Reid earlier thought he had something - but it fell apart.

Biden was in DC and didn't vote - Reid, Dodd, etc all knew they didn't have the numbers.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:21 AM
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38. Yup, what an odd and strange little procedural vote
Some key Dems missing, two Dems voted against and who knows why and Loserman voted yes.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:23 AM
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44. Because Lieberman has always had a strong union rating
I know the guy pisses us all off, myself included. But when it comes to the Social issues he really is in our court and his voting record shows it.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:26 AM
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48. Well, he is my Senator, from good old CT and yes he is socially and domestically moderate
Its his foreign policy that is a wreck.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:22 AM
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39. Tester? TESTER? WTF?!?
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:22 AM
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41. We need the Illinois legislature to impeach and remove Bogojevic in 10 minute flat
So that Quinn can be sworn in and appoint a US senator who will vote with the American people by sundown tomorrow.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:24 AM
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45. Brownback a Yea? and Roberts a Nay. What gives with that??
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 12:25 AM by patrice
Toooooo bad about Baucus and Tester!!!! ;(
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:27 AM
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49. A bunch of Republicans voted for cloture
YEAs ---52

Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Collins (R-ME)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Lugar (R-IN)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Interesting.
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southern_dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:30 AM
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52. Surprised to see
Bond as an Yea. And it seems like some of those retiring or fired by the voters decided not to show up...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:47 AM
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56. gee mccain voted against. People saw right through him during the campaign how he cares for labor
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 02:50 AM
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60. I noticed that too - he bothered to show up for once!
What a jerk. We're so fortunate we dodged that POS.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:59 AM
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57. Baucus, Lincoln and Tester. Who will we support for their primary opponents? n/t
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 09:53 AM
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61. I don't understand Tester but I do know that the seat would go back to republican
He barely won that one in a squeaker against a corrupt republican. I would suspect this is a targeted seat for republicans in 2012.
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