When this country finally gets single-payer health care, and ALL employers must contribute

How long will it be before the foreign car makers that are currently in this country pull up stakes and move to avoid paying for their employees health care?

I say they they will fight socialized health care in this country down to the last free nickel they can get a Senator to subsidize them with.

Then leave, blaming the employees.

a union. It's doable. My DH's company does, and healthcare is available.

Than a national health plan would be.

It's not whether there is a union or not, it's the total expenses involved for the company.

If they can save money by not having to contribute to a national health care system, they'll leave this country in a heartbeat and go elsewhere. It's one of the reasons they came here in the first place.

We are quickly heading to the bottom in wages, health care, pensions, workers' rights, etc. in this country.

It is now time to stop that.

We have Tricare, a military insurance. Why can't that be the model? I'm sure there's a reason, but in the meantime, it's cheap and effective. But we surely do need to remove the middlemen.

If we look at France's health care system, which is single-payer health insurance, they spend less than half on a per capita basis than we do in the United States, and the World Health Organization ranked France as having the best overall health care system according to their criteria. The French cut out the profit-taking in the insurance arena. In the US, profit-taking is allowed in health insurance. That's where the heavy costs are coming from.

in the way of health care benefits; or the employees just can't afford it.

Think Walmart. They would fight national health care tooth and nail.

I think the foreign auto makers would do the same thing, if it cost them one dime more than they are willing to pay currently.

Or to put things in more detail, do what every fiscally successful nation does - put a healthy import tariff on finished goods, and a healthy export tariff on raw materials.

To fill this policy out for the 21st century, we should also impose a tax on outsourcing, or give a tax credit to companies for every American worker on the payroll.

The rich fucks hate this - they want us all racing to the bottom, so they can wage their class warfare and impose their Charles Dickens worldview on us - they can hire on the cheap if we're all desperate, hungry and scrambling over each other's backs like rats on a sinking ship. They don't want a middle class - middle-class individuals get uppity and organize politically and challenge the rich fucks and demand they prove their usefulness. When you're hungry, desperate, one paycheck from oblivion, you don't dare question your masters.

interesting--half of toyota`s profits come from the usa.every foreign car company is using the usa plants to subsidize their plants in their home countries.

...unless you're already well heeled enough to take the withering hit. Most aren't.