Sparks.... this may be the spark

of a real crisis...a hot crisis

People are angry...no let me correct this...people are PISSED

This is an attack on the workers by southern power elites who hate organized labor

Yes, some may think this is tarring a whole region... well I am tired of being held hostage by YOUR reps in the house and senate who HATE organized labor

That is all

The South never loved America. They tore this country apart because they wanted to keep slavery (oh, excuse me, "states rights").

New book: "Southern Storm"...good book but big and heavy. My eyes glaze at the battel explanations but like it when the slaves come up to Sherman and are very happy. It makes my nearly cry with joy. Too bad it took another 100 years for the Civil Rights movement. I can recall in my history class (grew up in the south) where Carpetbaggers were made out to be the bad guys. But when they left, Jim Crow stepped in with a mighty fist. Any way, as Sherman was burning homes and such some of the Georigans came up to him and said they never wanted to go to war, but ole Sherman said something like...tough luck pal.

and this time I think they should just go...

I fear some will see this as tar and brush...perhaps... but it is predictably a region that is doing this...(with some western and plains states mind you)

:rofl:

and I would not laugh too hard

trained in civil disorder and crowd control are for?

not a whole country

And if it comes to that some of those troops will leave

they hate America. Straight up. They prefer the green dollar in their pocket--the silver given them by our trade competitors--to the red blood of the American worker and the red, white and blue of this country.


Miserable treasonous scum.

with a strong middle class

I mean that leads to things like the 1960s and people not knowing their proper place

:sarcasm:

I just got here.

I don't see many of the northern power elite doing much for organized labor either.

I just moved to the south, and I noticed right away they were people just like the people I knew in the north and in the west and in the eastern parts of this country. Everywhere you go, corporatized politicians serve the corporations and political donors. People are either pissed off, propagandized, or just too weary to care.

I think making it a regional thing is taking away from what it really is, which is class war.

in this.

For the southern power elites the war of northern aggression never ended

by crowing, "The South has risen!"

the dog whistles were meant for folks like them

they got them

And just like there were black people fighting for the slave-owners in the Civil War, there are middle- and working-class people supporting the rich in this one.

(By voting puke; by repeating the divide-and-conquer $70/hr memes of the fat cats)

industrial midwest who came here to work in the factories.The lines between North and South are murky at best .People may hate the southern leadership down there,but I don't know too many who would actually blame southern people for this mess,that's a little to black and white.It's conservatives against sane people as far as I'm concerned.I wish the south didn't have so many conservatives and poor people who vote their fears instead of their wallets,but those people don't really have borders and exist everywhere,including Michigan.

Read between the lines in what they are saying...some very overtly.

This is about our superior labor system in the south. Care me to translate the code?

educational system and a lot of fearful,poor people who are being duped by the powers that be and always have been,some still have a huge chip on their shoulder because of the civil war.I don't believe,however,that most Americans believe the chasm is so great that the south is unrecognizable to them.For better or sometimes worse,the south is part of America.

I fear this might be the spark for something really, REALLY ugly

I will not discount the cold civil war we've been engaged over the last ten years, twelve let me correct myself, to go hot

And it will not shock me either if it is over those familiar lines that were fought over once already

against us in the north.You can't make cartoon characters out of real people,all of us are much more nuanced than that. Ignorant people exist not because of their location,but because of their fear and inability to understand it in real terms and place the responsibility for their unhappiness where it belongs.Do you honestly live in an area of this country where no people you know exhibit these same characteristics we apply to southerners? We have people here in Michigan who would scab our factory jobs and this is a strong union state!If you asked those southern factory workers whether they would rather be UAW workers or "right to work" workers if they had a choice,do you think they'd take less pay and no protections out of spite. They live in an area of historically low paying jobs and $14.00 an hour with paid sick and vacation looks damned good to them.This isn't about geography,this is about corporations cynically going where people are desperate for what they can get.

but this is not about the workers...this is about the power elites who manipulate them

I'm not talking about workers...but about people like Demint, Lott and the rest of the power elites

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.



REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

REPUBLICAN Senators requiring AMERICAN manufacturers to lower U.S. wages to match those paid by FOREIGN-owned companies.

the south ceseed from the us? Kinda like AK. If they really don't want to be part of the 50 States, let them go! If the South wants to eliminate unions, they can do it in THEIR state(s), and if they want to bank gay marriage, and put the 10 comandments in their courts, let 'em.

I live in Ga. and I'll be happy to move!

so get ready for the tar and feathers

In fact, if this goes hot, I say let them go

Don't want to spend the blood, and the coin needed

Most southern states are misrepresented by wealthy elitists whose actions are most always on behalf of wealth protected at the expense of society. The problem is a political system that elects to office only those wealthy enough to run for office. If you really get down to it, it is a national footprint that isn't just southern. But, when you watch the classic Sen Shelby, Corker, Lott, etc, you sure have the personification of total loyalty to the royalists. They hate the masses.

It is high time for pitchforks and all that...

I'm not even in the south, but I'm in a red state.

Honestly, I don't understand the theoretical basis for your argument that this is geographical. I'm open to being convinced, what what is the evidence?

To me, this appears to be just another assault by the rich who feel threatened by the middle class who are making an assertive stand for themselves.

the amount of code is just down right impressive.

These whittles are very loud

Need I translate Corker's assertion that the southern labor system is better? Should I link it to the statements made back in the day about that southern institution?

They are not even trying to hide it anymore

It wouldn't surprise me if you turn out to be right. But I hope, in truth, it doesn't come down to that level.

Peace, friend.

but the level of anger...is just under the surface

you are spot on, yet again.

You perceive things that I, and others here, don't. Good for you.

but when I said it this morning it was me...when the Governor of Michigan called these guys traitors...my ears perked up...the political stakes went up at that point

I'm just a blogger, she on the other hand...has a bully pulpit I don't

very closely and pay attention to everything you write here.

You are a deep and very serious thinker.

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I wish you could give some of us some pointers on how to regain our passion and fighting spirit.

They dare to criticize UAW with their freakin' perks, healthcare, and golden parachutes!

Every worker needs to thank unions!!!

I am so fucking sick and tired of the southern (backward, redneck, bigoted, hateful, partisan, greedy, religiousity purposefully ignorant) mentality grip our country's political life.

I am soooo fucking glad we won't be hearing all those accents in OUR White House soon...

sorry, but these assholes have only brought GRIEF to us for over eight years now...

Americans are not going to stand for losing what little representation (unions) and possessions they have left. I'm slow to anger, and I'm boiling, so that lets you know... there have to be millions of the same pov. Enough!

And yes, it's the South. These Senators are from specific places, not everywhere. And these Senators are repeatedly the ones refusing to protect Americans from the predators in any small way.

Executive order from Bush writing a check form the bank bailout for the big three, if it doesn't happen kiss Michigan, Ohio and Western PA, goodbye.

The South doesn't have a monopoly on Jesus freaks -- I find it very narrow-minded to paint all of us Southerners with one big paint brush.

Did you know there are a lot of DUers from the South? Looking for a punching bag? You're preaching to the choir when you complain about these idiotic senators, but you're spoiling for a feud when you classify them as "YOUR reps".

Gawd I'm glad I don't live in Georgia any longer!