Message about LGBT folks on DU that I am hearing

I am not LGBT, but I have been reading threads all day on this Rick Warren controversy, and a lot of what I am seeing is
"Your civil rights are secondary to the great Obama's agenda. "
I know people like to call themselves liberal, but you cannot rah rah rah for civil rights and then disregard a whole group of people just because they disagree with Obama's choices.
I get this even sneakier suspicion, call it a gut instinct, that some people on DU wont admit it, but they are not at all for the civil rights of GLBT people to get married legally in the United States and may even have a problem with it.
I hope I am wrong about that.
Nonetheless, it seems as tho many on DU just want the LGBT community to be quiet, sit down, and wait their turn concerning their civil liberties. Its seems that many do not equate the LGBT's struggle for civil rights in the same category and importance as the struggle for black people's civil rights.
I am hoping this also isnt so.
Tell me I am wrong, and thank you for reading this thread.
hugs to all.

and chiding anyone speaking out against Warren...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=99786&mesg_id=99891

:hug:s to you too.

rick warren: terrible choice. slap in the face to the LGBT community and to women everywhere.

And, I suspect your suspicions are right.

I could crack some skulls right now.

They want that shoved to the back of the bus as well. Some think of civil rights as "fringe issues" and consider them wedge issues or divisive.

Obama has to be the president of ALL Americans. Including the nutjobs on the right. While I certainly appreciate that some people have my back as a gay American on this "issue", I wish people would stop being offended on my behalf.

That "religious" man thinks I should be subservient. Hope he croaks because no woman will give him mouth to mouth resuscitation.

Hey, some black folk didn't want to rock the boat with all that civil rights stuff either. You can keep them company in the dustbin that history leaves behind.

And as a person of Science.

You don't need to be concerned about your rights, but I will be concerned about mine.

Is this the battle you want to choose to call in your chips on? A meaningless invocation?

Sure, he will have nothing to do with policy. And, he won't mention GLBT issues, abortion or anything controversial in his invocation.

But, he is being given a symbolic honor, at the slight of many others. And, to the dismay of those who are fighting against what he symbolizes.

When they're done suppressing gays and women, they'll come for my kind.

I think there are more pressing issues facing the gay community than this.

of Rick Warren, because "Obama has to be the president of ALL Americans". He should cater to the "nutjobs". Well IMHO he should be the president of the "nutjobs" last.

He'll be their president, too.

If this were his pick for a Supreme Court nominee, it would be worth going to the mat for.

If this were his pick for a cabinet post, it would be worth going to the mat for.

This? Not so much.

should he not, then, be the president to GLBT Americans & women, too? Why pick a bigot when there are so many choices. You know, there actually are a few evangelicals who aren't bigots -- if he wanted to be inclusive by picking a born again evangelical, why not pick one of them? At best this is an incredibly insensitive choice.

And that is also being ignored and unconsidered just like in, I dunno, the primaries?

we were told by the antiwar guys to stfu, as women, because our concerns were secondary to their agenda.
same kind of thing i guess.

and his statement that the only position for women in SNCC was "prone". the good old days.

special interest group....

:sarcasm:

:pals:

It's a sad day.

I'm going to change my sig line... "Get your religion out of my government!"

there's a bunch of them vomiting out their idiotic opinions too.

Sid

and other religions in america. in his world there is no acceptance of other religious views.

outrage! I am offended as a sentient being! That's enough!

they MIGHT be banned if they came out and said what they really think.

I have no doubts whatsoever that there are a significant amound of DUers who dislike gay people and things like gay marriage. You just have to look for the keywords: lifestyle, civil union, intolerant of religious people, etc.

I myself find this warren pick horrible...but then I thought to myself, show me any well known religious person who supports gay marriage. Maybe they exist, but I haven't seen them, and I suppose the invocation thing is required or some such thing. I mean Obama is a christian and it's his inauguration so have the damn prayer.

To all my GLBT friends, including my beloved sister, I don't give a shit who says the prayer, honestly, I am with you on this to the day I die...




And I'm only 45.

:grouphug:

DU is mostly supportive of the GLBT community.

That's what we homeless people are getting, right here at DU, and among "progressives" in general.

Some things never change.

And deaths are the result.

Does it matter?

I absolutely DO NOT equate gay marriage "rights" and African-American voting rights. I think it's the most bogus comparison I've ever heard of.

I believe that lynching a black person should be classified a hate crime, and that beating a gay person to death should be classified the same way.

I think that discriminating against a gay person in terms of housing or employment is a clear civil rights violation.


But that's where I draw the line on "civil rights". There are a lot of PRIVILEGES that our country has decided should go to married people. But not "rights". I think it makes sense to find ways to extend these privileges to committed same-sex couples who are legally contracted.

But I absolutely refuse to call marriage a "civil right".

For some reason, this makes me homophobic. I think that's laughable, but everyone has a right to their own opinions.

If I as a woman have a civil right to enter into a CIVIL contract with Bob, and Joe does not have the same civil right to enter into that same CIVIL contract with Bob that I can legally enter into, Joe is being denied a CIVIL right.

Anytime a person can't exercise the same civil rights as another, whether it be entering into a contract with a specific person, voting, renting, etc. because of their skin color or gender, it's a civil rights issue.

If you don't believe in extending this civil right to all people, according to an old post by skinner you don't belong on DU. So that might be an opinion for you to express elsewhere, fyi. That way the community here doesn't have to listen to your ... um ... views on that topic.

It's more than a symbolic 2 minute piece of schlock. It gives him publicity, free advertising, and legitimacy, which in turn will quite possibly result in his church gaining members or donations, giving them more power.

Obama may as well put up a backdrop on his stage advertising any number of homophobic/sexist/racist organizations. It has the same effect.

Oh, they may call themselves democrats, but they haven't got a clue.

Otherwise, I would not have seen:

People covering for Pelosi/Reid

People covering for the wiretap vote

People covering for a few questionable act that Obama has done.

I am, however, a democrat, a liberal, and an independent. There's a big difference between a 'democrat' and a 'Democrat' ... and there is a very clear description of "who we (DU) are" that you have obviously failed to read and comprehend.

You can read it at http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

I'm on this site every day and I know what I see. I know what this site is about, and I wonder what parallel world you must live in?