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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:55 AM
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Poll question: Should inauguration attendees turn their backs when Rick Warren speaks at the inauguration?
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 03:01 AM by Liberal_in_LA
I figure Rick Warren will only REALLY be praying for the percentage of the population
he considers wholly human... Males, non-gays
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:00 AM
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1. Other-have we stopped with the shoe-throwing already? n/t
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lutherj Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:15 AM
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3. Bet he's not as quick as Chimpy. nt
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:01 AM
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2. And keep them turned on Obama for choosing him.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:02 AM
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4. I think the choice of Rick Warren was a mistake, but a public act like that would look very bad and
would be counterproductive. It would make Pastor Warren look like a victim of crass rudeness. It would make the progressive opponents of Pastor Warren look shrill and unreasonable. After all, the attendees of the Inauguration are guest, just as Rick Warren is a guest. It is simply bad form and will be seen by the vast majority of Americans as bad form for one group of guest to treat a guest invited to deliver a prayer rudely, however reprehensible the views of that invited guest might be. Such an action would only weaken the hands of the progressive opponents of Pastor Warren's views.

As much as I loathe the things Rick Warren stands for, I understand the motivation of President-Elect Obama. The President-Elect understands the huge gulf that exist between social conservatives and social liberals in America. I am certain President-Elect Obama hopes that some of this ill will can be eased a bit through some inclusion and dialog.

Personally I think the choice of Rick Warren to deliver the opening prayer was not a good choice. But time will tell if this extension of a hand of good will from the Obama Administration to social conservatives will bare positive results or not. I don't know if it will. But it might. An action like the one described in the OP will certainly insure that nothing positive will come out of this attempt at easing divisions and facilitating understanding.

It will make things worse. It will alienate allies and friends and needlessly antagonize both friends and foes. It will be counterproductive for progressives and basically spoil a wonderful, wonderful day in American history.

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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:14 AM
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5. Agreed and Well Said.
I find your logic to be impeccable and totally agree with you. That said, I care not one wit at to who does the prayer or prayers at this event and frankly who remembers who gave the invocations at previous inaugurations? Who remembers what bands were in the parades or played? This guy is not my choice, but Obama wasn't my first choice and this isn't my inauguration, it's his. Me, thinks this is much ado about noting.


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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:11 AM
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11. I am not as optimistic about dialog with social conservatives.
Their positions are based on faith and blind adherence to mythology. The majority are not open to reason nor to appeals to reality. Any attempts to include them in dialog will only give them a forum from which to proselytize other similarly weak minded people.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:44 AM
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15. I share your pessimism, but a rude, childish gesture ...
... like this will do more harm than good.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:16 AM
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12. Ah, the Pelosi/Reed defense. We don't want to look bad or
stand up to the agents of intolerance. Maybe if we go along with them and don't challenge them, people will like us.

As a woman, I am absolutely offended by the choice of Preacher 'Swinging Dick' Warren, and will not go along to get along.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:27 AM
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13. handing the right-wing of the Republican Party a propaganda victory on a on Inaugural Day is not my
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 10:44 AM by Douglas Carpenter
idea of fighting the right-wing effectively.

The freepers and the hardline religious right are as furious about Rick Warren accepting the invite as anyone here is about the Inauguration Committee making the invitation. To whatever minimal extent his invitation from President-Elect Obama confers legitimacy on Rick Warren, Rick Warren's acceptance of President-Elect Obama's invitation is equally a slap in the face to much of the religious right. Although, I don't recall anyone in past inaugurations even noticing who gave the invocations. This is the first time I recall it ever being mentioned in any serious way.

However awful Rick Warren might be. He is there as the invited guest of the President-Elect. The vast majority of Americans will be repulsed and outraged by such behavior on anyones part toward an invited guest of the President-elect, especially when it involves delivering a two minute prayer for the nation and guidance for the new President.

People who feel strongly about this always have the more sensible option of writing the President-Elect and expressing their disappointment that he invited Rick Warren to deliver the opening prayer. That would be proper form.

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:04 AM
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17. I am not a "Good German." I have written Obama that I consider
'Swinging Dick' Warren an abomination.

Thank God my aunts did not consider how it would look when they were marching for the right to vote.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:06 AM
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18. I completely agree. n/t
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:23 AM
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6. I hope so......
Rick Warren was bad choice, out of all the other ministers in this country Obama had to choose Warren? The inauguration wont be as good now because of that asshat Warren.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:41 AM
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9. Did Obama actually make the choice or did he approve the choice?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:29 AM
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7. I think the best option at this point would simply be to overwhelm Obama with complaints.
Warren is too divisive a character for such a coronation ceremony. Obama would be better off copying FDR and tone down such ceremonies. The only difference is FDR did it because of the Great Depression.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:35 AM
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8. Good Idea about overwhelming Obama
With complaints. Everyone should do it. And I doubt Chef Boy Ardee will be showing up at this inauguration unlike for FDR.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:42 AM
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14. Don't let another rightwinger become the new "Billy Graham".
Billy Graham also believed in the subservience of women and gawd knows what else. Time to
stop elevating these men to positions of prominence.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:24 AM
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10. For god's sakes people.. grow up.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:47 AM
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16. absofuckinglutely turn your backs
non violent civil disobedience is a good thing.
if it was the Grand Wizard of the KKK standing up there doing the invocation, people would turn their backs.
its the same thing.
evidently homophobia is still accepted by many, and not considered 'important enough' to many on the left.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:07 AM
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19. Yes. It will send a message to Obama, to other Democrats, to Warren, and to the world.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:15 AM
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20. It would only seem fair. Obama is "turning his back" on gays.
Apparently "inclusiveness" demands that others be excluded and berated for protesting injustice in the guise of religion.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:15 AM
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21. Non-violent, non-disruptive, and to the point. I like it.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 11:16 AM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
In fact, it'll be even more powerful when the audience turns to the stage again at the next event.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:37 PM
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22. agreed.
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