Hey!!! DU,, where did all the hate come from??

If I am not gay, I am considered a BIGOT.

If I own a gun, then I am one of the Gun Crazies.

If I speak with a southern drawl, I am an un-educated Red Neck.

Where did all of this negative come from? doesn't the right wing do enough of it, without DUers adding to it?

When do we have PEACE in our time??

...a Clinton supporter.

I am anti military for purposes of foreign policy ...pro peace ...pro single payer health care ...pro free food and shelter for the homeless ...I am for pulling our all of our military bases from around the world ...I am pro gun ownership for protection against home invasion which we have a lot of here ...pro choice ...pro taxing the hell out of corporations that outsource workers ...anti capital punishment ...pro Kucinich ...I could go on but I think that's enough to keep me the most hated here. oooops I almost forgot ...I'm anti Clinton too.

I have never seen someone who is 'not gay' called a bigot. I have seen people who are against civil rights for all called a bigot, and that shoe fits.

I have a Daughter that is gay, and will protect her rights beyound your thought process..

'not gay'. If you have that, then I will tell you that person is wrong. If someone is against full gay rights, and says that, then they are opening themselves to being called a bigot.

It must be hard to have a parent who makes up lies about your people.

you have a daughter who's gay.

Instead, you just sit back feeling sorry for yourself .. the straight, white male (I presume), with all of the rights and privileges in life you enjoy.

I mean, seriously.

:shrug: I've never seen anyone on DU say that.

nt

****crickets****

which, I'm sure, will go unanswered.

Sid

Let me say this about the current flap though: our DU LGBT community is right. Obama fucked up on this one.

Now, if someone is calling you a bigot just because you're not gay, they're wrong. But if someone is calling you a bigot because you said they should just accept what's happening and shut up about it, then you're wrong.

or one that isn't a hybrid, you are also an enemy of the people.

28mpg, Flex-fuel is a joke and a con.

And to take it a bit further: if you are consuming more than what you need to get by you are an enemy.
If you speed and in the slightest endanger other drivers you are an enemy.
If you wantingly pollute "" ""
If you support the huge American defense budget "" ""

And if you don't actively oppose all these things "" ""?

But that is rare.

What it does take is for every one to realize that each in his or her own way causes problems.
Some of us go about acting as if they are perfect. Act as if everyone MUST be and think like they.

There is so little concern for others that sometimes it seems as if the world has stopped turning.
It's as if some people think they alone have the right to stop the world from turning.

Well, it's been turning before we got here and it will continue. We are nothing. Get over it, would be my advice.

:eyes:

GLBT DUers treasure our straight allies.

I also think that the impression the OP asserts may be coming from some of the less focused "venting-type" posts right now... Those that start out paraphrased from memory FU DU (if you don't agree with everything that follows in my post).... I think these are getting locked and really just reflect a need to get their frustration and anger out, on the part of the OP. They leave a mark, nonetheless.

Sid

an opinion..

I don't. Gay rights work the same way.

bigotry is bigotry, and is always unacceptable.

Sid

:eyes:

Peace..

and indefensible.

nt

perhaps you'd have more luck addressing directly in open threads those who have actually accused you of bigotry, gun nuttery and redneckishness.

ETA: I am a straight, gun co-owning person who speaks with a southern drawl, and I have never ONCE been called a bigot, a gun nut or a redneck by anyone in the DU community.

in their personal, defining, and limiting little box.

I find these people's attitudes just as disgusting as the attitudes of people like Warren. Just because some people hold views I find disgusting doesn't mean I should shun them and call them Hitler 2.0. Such childish behavior doesn't help anything.

No one here has said if you're not gay you're a bigot.

Ideological purists abound, it's true, but making up things people haven't said just to bolster a rant doesn't help.

:shrug:

want to provide them.

That's just dishonest.

Posting bigoted shit or defending bigotry makes you a bigot. If you don't do either of those things, you don't have to worry.

Show me your links.

When did you rise from the dead, btw?

I am according to the attitudes on some DUers. :eyes: Even though I am 100% for same-sex marriage many DUers seem to be saying that since I am a friend of a homophobe I must be a homophobe myself. It a bunch of BS thinking.

publicly outspoken bigot friend front and center in that event?

Oh, no you aren't, are you?

Get used to it! Jeez. What a troll.

Wikipedia says this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invocation

As a supplication or prayer it implies to call upon God (snip). When a person calls upon a god or goddess to ask for something (protection, a favor, his/her spiritual presence in a ceremony, etc.) or simply for worship, this can be done in a pre-established form or with the invoker's own words or actions.

Why should President-elect Obama allow someone who has blatantly supported actions against a minority of our U.S. population to give us in his own words an invocation for his future Administration? Doesn't that slap one of our group of GLBT in the Democratic Party right in the face? I think it is very inappropriate to give Rick Warren a place of honor because of this and so does this man:

Rick Warren and Prop 8 -- He Knows Better

by Randall Balmer - Randall Balmer is a blogger for Beliefnet's Progressive Revival, an Episcopal priest, Professor of American Religious History at Barnard College, Columbia University, and a Visiting Professor at Yale Divinity School. He is the author of a dozen books, including "Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and Threatens America" and, most recently, "God in the White House: How Faith Shaped the Presidency from John F. Kennedy to George W. Bush."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-balmer/rick-warren-and-prop-8_b_137908.html

Warren has done a great deal to recast the social agenda of evangelicals to bring it more into line with the teachings of Jesus as well as the noble precedent of nineteenth-century evangelical activism, which invariably took the part of those on the margins of society. Warren is no fan of the Religious Right, and he recognizes that it is inappropriate for people of faith in a pluralistic society to impose their will on others simply by majoritarian fiat.

So that is why I found his announcement on October 23 that he supports California's Proposition 8 so disturbing. Proposition 8, a ballot initiative, seeks to overturn the California supreme court's ruling that gay marriage is constitutionally permissible.

Warren has every right to his views on the definition of marriage, which he insists (not without foundation) is mandated in the Bible. Millions of Americans -- a majority, I'm sure -- agree with him. "If you believe what the Bible says about marriage," he declared on his website, "you need to support Proposition 8."

Warren goes on to note that, by his reckoning, gays and lesbians make up only 2 percent of the population in the United States. "We should not let 2 percent of the population change the definition of marriage."

Warren, a Baptist, knows better. The cornerstones of the Baptist tradition are adult baptism (as opposed to infant baptism) and the principle of liberty of conscience and the separation of church and state. Baptists inherited these ideas from Roger Williams, the founder of the Baptist tradition in America. And, at least until the conservative takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention in 1979, Baptists have always been watchmen on that wall of separation and fierce guardians of liberty of conscience. Thankfully, Williams's ideas were incorporated into the United States Constitution, both in the First Amendment, which forbade a religious establishment, and in the recurring principle of respect for the rights of minorities.

These have been the guiding touchstones of American life for more than two centuries. We Americans have sought, at times better than others, to live up to the principles articulated in our charter documents, especially in safeguarding the rights and the interests of minorities -- though not perfectly, by any means. The scourge of slavery and segregation and discrimination remains an indelible blot, and our treatment of women has been cavalier. But we Americans eventually rise to our better selves and come around to recognize the claims of legal equality for those who, for reasons of gender or race or religion or sexual orientation, cannot number themselves part of the majority.

And if we needed further warrant for this, the Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee of "equal protection under law" codified that into the Constitution itself.

Many Americans, myself included, understand the California supreme court's decision (and similar rulings in other jurisdictions) as an expression of that principle, an expansion of civil rights to those who have been denied equality for a very long time. It's not at all at odds with fundamental Baptist principles of liberty and protection from a majoritarian ethic that imposes its standards on the minority.

I challenge Rick Warren, my friend and fellow evangelical, to reconsider his support for Proposition 8. Warren and all people of faith have every right to hold to their religious views about homosexuality. But to insist that those standards must be observed by everyone in a pluralistic society is -- well, it's not Baptist.

Rick Warren knows better.

............

Do we stand with the 14th Amendment or not? I for one ask for removal from this invocation by this man for that reason alone!

At any rate DU is contentious; nature of the beast. People around here are passionate and worked up; and that's not really a bad thing.

Bryant

GD-P is the five minute hate on continuous loop, pointed toward the nontroversy of the day. GD is a slightly more varied form of negativism. If you want serious discussion, go to the lounge.

a bigot. Your post is absurd.

during the primaries?

Sadly, the anonymity of the Internet allows people to say outrageous things that - one hopes - they would never tell you in your face.

Sadly, DU sometimes is the mirror image of freeperland where, like Bush "you are either with us or against us." Sadly, too many people are banned for not conforming with the orthodoxy.

And sometimes it appears that, if you post something which may not be that offensive like, commenting that if McCain won, he would have been the first Vietnam veteran in the White House - once you have generated a certain number of Fuck you responses, your are out.

And someone is offended when I suggested that foul mouth Blago could fit here.

Peace.