For a bunch of bright people we sure are slow learners...

I've always thought that progressives display a higher level of cognitive thinking than most other Americans, but really, when it comes to politics, we are the living, breathing, walking, talking definition of "insanity." We continue to do the same thing, while the establishment, (even our own party leaders) keep kicking us repeatedly in the groin, and we expect different results.

Lately, the one question that I keep asking myself over and over is...How much longer?

Probably forever...just my take. The reason the people "enjoy" being kick in the nuts, instead of rioting, are complex and ingrained.

A direct result of the intentional dumbing down of America.

Where ya going with that dumb in your hand?

And are ya ever gonna answer my post below?

I do expect a full report. It would be insane to expect otherwise.

You leave everything open, and I want closure. I want answers, damnit!

I really agree with what Joe Bageant has to say:

Now that Obama has announced most of his cabinet appointments, he is starting to take a little heat -- feeling those first few incoming rockets that are the rightful due of all presidents. To some of us, his appointments of the nation's newest big wheels don't look so new. They look like retreads of the old Clinton ride. And politically informed people know that Clinton indeed took us for a ride.

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2008/12/the-only-game-in-town.html#more

And my favorite (from a letter posted to Joe Bageant):



Dear Joe,

It has been a very sobering experience to see all my "liberal" friends rolling on the floor in the throes of ecstasy over Obama's win. Miraculously, the democrats succeeded at what the republicans have been proficiently doing for quite a long time; convincing a large number of people to be ecstatic about voting against their own interests. Maybe the self destructive red neck paradigm needs to be adjusted to include shell shocked liberals.

My friends are so overjoyed about all the 'change' that is certainly coming our way that I can't bring myself to spoil their happiness with rude facts about what political interests Obama represents or how his advisers are responsible for many of the problems facing working class people. My lack of enthusiasm over his victory creates awkwardness among my peers and heightens my feeling of political alienation. After the election I had the queasy sense of being on the outside edge of a mass delusion.


http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2008/12/obamas-election-will-keep-liberals-happy.html

I THINK THE ANNOUNCEMENT YESTERDAY OF HOW OUR ELECTED OFFICALS PROTECTED THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF SOLVING IT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW CORRUPT OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM HAS BECOME. THE PROBLEM WAS THE CREDIT CARD RIP-OFF OF ABSURD INTEREST RATES AND THE ABILITY TO RAISE THEM AT WIIL. MY ORGINAL POST CALLED OUT BANK OF AMERICA A MAJOR BAIL OUT RECEPIENT AND A MAJOR PLAYER IN THE CREDIT CARD GAME.
THIS WAS THE RESULT OF THE PROBLEM SOLVING(JOE -SIX PACK SCREWED AGAIN)
the damage control (ones on the take) were quick to respond to the unrest shown in the blogs.(there are many beside this one) but if you listen to the crap spread the credit cards are allowed to have a year of grace before they are forced to change.
Now isn't it wonderful how those republican senators protect Joe six-pack!
hm mm How many hard working men ,women and families are going to suffer because once again they protected the problem instead of correcting it.
I hope ya all teach reading comprehension south of the mason Dixon line and north of Boston soon.
You see this is heard in almost every bankruptcy case: We were doing fine until gas doubled,food sky rocketed and my credit card interest rates rose without us missing a payment.
How many more are going to fall victim to this loan sharking before we get a response from the body(congress) that created this monster?
DO IT AND DO IT NOW! FLOOD YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS WITH CALLS TELL THEM THAT FARCE YESTERDAY NEEDS TO STOP NOW!
IF WE ALL DO THIS THEY WILL RESPOND--\
THE BIGGEST FEAR OF ANY POLITICIAN IS AN INFORMED ELECTORATE!

A very long time.

When it comes to the two major political parties, there's not a dime worth of difference between them.

Saying otherwise is like saying it is useless to be a democrat.

Is that what you are saying?

Yeah, it's pretty useless being a democrat, if you want the real truth of it.

the Gore 2000 democracy give away did it for me.

The poster you referred to is deluded. It thinks that it has all the answers and that there is no hope
with Obama. That Obama is cut from the same cloth as, say, bushco, and we are all doomed. And the
rest of us are idiots for thinking change is coming.

Change is coming. One way or another, change will occur. You either get in front of it or it rolls over you as it goes by. The rest of us are out in front clearing the way. Not deluded into inaction or navel gazing or way into oblivion. We are enthusiastic!

In a politically diverse nation, some things are going to happen that you don't like. For instance a president I admire has set a policy of getting out of Iraq at a reasonable pace, but is having that plan implemented by a cabinet officer I don't particularly approve of. He's going to dramatically scale back use of the Patriot Act, but not dump the mess entirely. He's going to shut down Gitmo and get rid of the unconstitutional, Pinochetesque military tribunal system, but is going to have a gay-hater pray for God's blessings on the new administration.

Democracy is complex: it can be a mob-driven tyranny of the majority or a Madisonian network of complex and not always virginal compromises and trade offs. I'll judge this presidency by its effects, not its affects. What we should do as a progressive movement is get out and bitch more in public. That's how you increase you win percentage.

goddammed thing that's gone my way. We're being pissed on and some of us are standing around proclaiming it as rain.

This reduces them to inaction right at the point that action is most called for and when action would be most effective.

We see person after person saying something like 'I'm not going to hold Obama accountable for his choices or pronouncements because I'd rather sit around and hope he's going to do the right thing than to have to get off my ass and demand he do the right thing.'

What do you suggest we do? Complain about the cabinet picks, moan and groan, bitch and bitch?
You offer nothing else as far as I can see.

What most of us ARE saying is that it does no good to do as you seemingly suggest. What most of us ARE saying is that we accept Obama's decisions as to who he wants in HIS cabinet and we will watch carefully as time progresses to see if real change is occurring. At that time, then we take whatever action is called for. Right now all we see and hear from some of you is bitching and moaning, like we see from little children.

attention real quick.

To you, it's just an annoying sound that interferes with the football game.


You are a proud self described by stander. i don't expect you to understand. It's OK. Go back to your game.

Me, I'm organizing gatherings and meetings of Obama supporters through the Obama website, through the PDA site, through DFA, through Move On, so we can collectively apply pressure to this administration and get a seat at the table.

Don't worry, it doesn't concern you and we aren't asking you to attend or to do anything at all.

You are funny.

As far as I know you are bsing me. And if your not, then I see why some liberals are so marginalized.

Me, I get shit done. And I do it by fighting the real foes, not foes made up from my teammates.

elected representative, right now He's PE, which gives him certain rights and responsibilities.

We are always citizens, which gives us certain rights and responsibilities as well.

We don't expect to run everything, we just want a seat at the table, that's all. And so we use what we got to get what we want.

Don't worry, it doesn't concern you. And you won't even notice when we are successful, which we are sometimes.

We are a little like the water boys and the trainers on a football team doing our critical yet anonymous work in the back ground while you focus your joy or contempt on the coach. And that's OK. We are all on the same team, but we arrive at our opinions differently. And we have different roles to play. I mean, where would football be without home viewers, and the same goes for American politics.

You are so cool, I can't even carry your water! I bow before you. You are obviously set to save the world with your all inclusive "us against them" mindset. :puke:

I'm not surprised.

Your puke will set you free! :)

I've still got a long way to go and very little time...

I know in my bones the left is gonna' get fucked again, I'm totally unsurprised by this, disappointed but not surprised.

reinforces the Libertarian side of my thinking.

Sad but true.

was either stupid or willfully trying not to see. Why anyone is surprised is beyond me.

On the other hand, the only thing that is going to bring quick overnight change in this country anymore is an insurrection. If Obama can get this battleship turned around, slowly, over 8 years and set the stage for someone more my taste (like Clinton tried to for Gore), then I will deem it a success.

Sorry, but I'm only willing to give *anybody* ONE shot at it.

I'm afraid we don't have 8 more years anyway. Even if we did I don't reward mediocrity.

FDR didn't enter office intending to change the world. WE forced him to.

Moral of the story: nothing will change until the people demand it.

In other words, the sooner we quit making excuses the sooner we can get those changes we've been waiting for.

And I certainly didn't tell anyone to shut the fuck up. I was merely commenting on the betrayal people said they feel. If we can make Obama change, outstanding. Let's do it. But let's not pretend he didn't wave this flag long before we elected him.

voting time and again against one's own best interest is a freeper tradition. I had hoped true liberals and progressives were much smarter than that. How much longer? I have given up hope it will happen in my lifetime.

When will people learn that "Hope & Change" are campaign buzz words that have have absolutely no meaning?

as long as people obediently continue voting for "the lesser of two evils".

long time no see!




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