Post from a right wing site...RE: Warren.

I think it's a stupid pick myself. But I found these on a mostly right wing site that I lurk at (I like to see them eat their own faces in times like these):


Contrary to your opinion, Rick Warren's view are mainstream American positions. Most American's are both anti-abortion and define marriage as being the union of a man and a woman!

Rick Warren even has a following of people who are not all that religious, with his book, "The Purpose Driven Life" . (Incidently, the proceeds of his book have been used for his charities)

He is an excellent choice and I give credit to Obama to his very clever way of reaching out to unite the country!


And:


I agree. It's sad, but it also shows that Obama was serious when he claimed that there was only one America that needs to come together. He didn't just give lip service to being "a uniter" and then imposing a radical agenda on everyone.


http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/news/YaBB.pl?num=1229566043/12




I'm sure people will call me all sorts of names now. But first...remember...you know absolutely nothing about me...so do not jump to conclusions. If you want to know before you go make wild assumptions about me...but make those assumptions without any knowledge of who I am, how I was brought up...or what I stand for...without asking me first...then I can assure you that I can be a major asshole.

Second...the above posts are from people that HATE HATE HATE Obama...from a sight that supposedly allows both sides...but really doesn't...if you know what I mean. I thought this was ironic. I personally think Warren is a shitty, bigoted choice. But I've never seen these two posters ever say anything positive about a Democrat ever.

So...think on that for a while.

. . . don your flameproof suit. :)

While you consider that he is giving center stage to someone who sought to deny gays and lesbians equal rights.

Of course these people think that Mr. Warren is an excellent choice. Because they're just like him.

have played a huge role in my life.

One of my oldest and dearest friends was raised by his two Dads. They met in Vietnam. Still together. I met them in '84 when I was 12. My friend lived two doors down. We were either at my house...or their house. I still go see them at least once a year. In essence...they helped raise me.

Before that...there were my Mom's two best friends...Chuck and Doug. Doug was a teacher. Chuck was a social worker like my Mother. From the age of about 7...until we moved out of state...I spent many an evenings over at Chuck and Dougs because they were a block down. They helped raise me as well.

My other friend all through High School....College...and now grown up life...is gay. He had problems for years coming out of the closet because of bigoted family members. Drug and alcohol problems...emotional problems ensued. It wasn't until he threatened, in a fit of emotional rage, to out me to everybody (I am straight)...I looked him dead in the eyes...and said, "go right ahead...here...I'll dial my parents number for you"...that it all dawned on him that he was who he was and perhaps he should just accept it.


No...I'm about as gay friendly as it gets. I don't like the Warren choice. But if anything I feel like watching Obama is like watching a Chess Master. There is a reason. And I think this may be why:

We're going to need everybody to get this stuff done. It is time for us to move beyond shrieking and screaming at each other. Perhaps once we can talk to each other in a civil manner the majority of the time...we won't have people taking extremist views just because the other side hates it so much.

And trust me...there are people out there doing it just for that reason. "I hate lefties. What do lefties hate? Cause that's what I stand for."

are spiritually inferior, need to be submissive and constantly supervised, 'Swinging Dick' Warren is your guy.

earlier.
Some people here think .....Well, I won't go into that again right now.

recommended.

mark

Do they not read polls?

To cut to the chase, a majority of Americans are opposed to banning abortion but a different, overlapping majority will tell you they are against killing babies.

But the overall message is that a HARDCORE rightie....was in essence...swayed a bit to Obama's side by the decision.

Think about it for a second and how many Presidents have been able to do that.

It's only when the environment is full of piss and vinegar do things come to a stalemate between opposing ideologies. (Recall the last 8 years)

I have faith that Obama will bring us together and potentially change the attitudes of the anti-gay-marriage folks. It won't happen overnight, but I have confidence he'll get the wheels in motion... and, remember, social movements happen in increments. :)

which gave birth to 'truthiness'

Incidently. :dunce:

Warren sucks, but that is the effect this maneuver will have. Obama is neutralizing Warren for the future. He is confounding his harshest critics, and it is costing him nothing, or nearly so.

--IMM

I'm thinking that Obama and Warren must have developed some kind of friendship in their encounter earlier this year. We have to trust our President's judgment on this.

Obama even mentions Warren in The Audacity of Hope.

I don't know if this is true--I am just passing along what I read.

Try again.

It is a valid analogy.

I haven't seen any yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZMf9mPB_nE&eurl=http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8664

Start at 2:06.

Haven't you heard the old chestnut "Hate the sin, love the sinner"?

The "behavior" is just one part of a gay person's identity.

And there isn't any goddamn "sin" being committed in the first fucking place.

They believe that sexual orientation is the result of a conscious choice.

The fact that he can even compare gay marriage to incest and pedophilia, regardless of whether he thinks homosexuality is a choice, is horrifying.

People will come around. Supporters of gay rights, same-sex marriage, etc. are going to win in the long run.

There's no way in hell someone goes from comparing gays to pedophiles to fully supporting gay marriage. Holding our powder never does anything.

He's only got one vote, like the rest of us. His power comes from his ability to keep his "flock" in the dark.

There were approximately 300,000,000 people in this country who were "excluded" from appearing at the inauguration. Not everyone can speak. Obama had to choose carefully who to include. So, who Obama chose to "include" speaks volumes.

:nuke:

the religious right thinks it's an endorsement and vindication of their radical positions -- and so do I.

For the most part.

If I were them, I'd be laughing too the same way I'd be laughing at them if McCain had gotten elected and chose Rev. Wright to give the invocation.

If McCain had gotten elected, DU would be a seething cauldren of outrage about how the election was stolen.

:nuke:

false. Uniting us all would mean that those folks and us folks would all be thinking this was a wonderful choice, incredibly strategic and all that.

All I can see that he did was trade out one group for another's approval. We are not united in this.

Based on that logic, he could bring peace to the Middle East simply by dumping the Jews.

Ever. Period. Those people will see a (D) behind his name and believe that he is a gay muslim terrorist who sucks babies out of wombs to eat them raw. Reaching out to them is like jumping off a cliff and trying to grab onto a limb sticking out on the way down. It's dumb.

being dumb is never ever trying.

I guess some people have to have the hate for one another...to thrive. They just don't how to think differently.

But not all of us.

I suppose if Bush tossed a couple bones to the left wing, they'd have supported him?

Not the Free-Republic dolts and Rush Drones.

These people are never satisfied with a bone. They believe they deserve the whole cow.

Why don't we encourage the new administration to take right wing positions on everything? Then we can win all of the people over. After all, liberals and progressives will vote for anyone with a "D" after their name, so we don't have to worry about them - they are all in the bag. Let them bitch and moan and whine all they want, it won't do them any good.

Ih fact, the Bush program, but under a Democrat, would be perfect. The country would be completely united. The right wingers will get everything they want, and the Left will have no choice but to go along.

I am starting to see how brilliant this unity and post partisanship thing really is.

I continue to hope it is misplaced, but I am open to the possibility it is not.

Either way, well said.

-Laelth

I agree with unity, and reaching out. But look at the lesson that asshole on the site you listed learned:

Contrary to your opinion, Rick Warren's view are mainstream American positions. Most American's are both anti-abortion and define marriage as being the union of a man and a woman!

So now this idiot, rather than being shown that civil rights are for everybody, believes that Obama is deep down really just a good ol' bigot like he is.

This is the wrong way to reach out. Obama fucked up.

...woo hoo? :shrug:

I hope they open their hearts and their wallets to the Dems for the 2010 election, as I'm sure they will. That will help make up for the donations they will lose from people like me.

Want's to shove his victory right into Warren's face? What better way to do that than have him participate.

they will only continue their hatred and bigotry. legitimizing them is wrong.

so we can shore up the neonazi's who didnt vote for Obama!!
I can see what bigotry is acceptable to people on here.
I am shocked by the homophobia.