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Plaid Adder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:47 AM Original message |
Change We Can Believe In |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. I understand your heartfelt post. and can empathize . |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. this Warren gesture is something he has full control over |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I can understand the political benefits of Gates, and some of the other |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. just remember that lives will be lost because of Gates' footdragging |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
3. "Change" is just a shorter spelling of "triangulation". Politics-as-usual. |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. It is just like what we saw with Clinton... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I honestly dont think the Dem party got the message in 2004 |
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Spryboy (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Hell, I don't think they got the message in 2006 or 2008 either |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. No I just won't participate any more. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. I agree. . . |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Good. Obama did everything he did without me. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. No chance unless you and millions like you get involved in another party. |
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Sex Pistol (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Well, if you don't participate, you may as well cast your fate to the stars. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Clinton at least came out of the gate TRYING to affect change. This is just a slap in the face to |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
51. I've changed my tag line to reflect the meaning of change as I understand it. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
4. K&R...and this does not need any votes to change... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. This is a really well done post. K&R |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
10. Thank you. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
11. do you support his foreign policy... |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
13. But, but, at least our nomination was historical!!! |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. I don't think you need a sarcasm smilie. I think more and more people will be rethinking the |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
14. You covered it all in typically plain-spoken and eloquent fashion. |
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lazyriver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
15. I like the point you are making about disguising bigotry. |
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Plaid Adder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. One does to some extent have to reserve judgment to see what he actually does once installed. |
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JaneFordA (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Time Limit? |
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lazyriver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. Hope. It should mean anticipation of something better. Sadly |
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Plaid Adder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
16. I just got an email from Obama's team |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
18. "... That homophobia is not hatred or bigotry, but a legitimate 'point of view.'" |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. "homophobia is not hatred or bigotry, but a legitimate 'point of view.'" . . . |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. K&R - thats why its so sickening n/t |
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nomorenomore08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Civil rights for gays are only an "issue" because so many people are uncomfortable or flat-out |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
54. Funny...one would think Obama would be concerned about |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
21. An excellent OP, as usual; Greenwald - "How new is Obama's New Politics?" |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
22. Overall |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. That is not entirely true. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. PE Obama identified himself as a Progressive. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. That is one reason why I don't like the term "Progressive". |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. As a generic tag, I agree. It might benefit the community |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
23. k&r |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. You're right. It's no mistake. |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. Change We Can Make Believe In. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
26. K&R |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. Pleased to k&r -- another excellent Plaid Adder post! |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Frankly, I think he needs a bit more edjumacation on this issue. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
29. Obama can invite David Duke to Inaugural |
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nomorenomore08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. That's a great cartoon! Where'd you find it? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Thanks to rkm |
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Spryboy (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
30. Very well stated. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
34. .. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
40. Well said. K&R |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
44. Nice, but you are too kind to the faction here that sees no issue. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
49. Very well said. GBLT rights are clearly not a priority with Obama. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 05:53 AM Response to Original message |
50. "Change" was just a marketing slogan -- wake up |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
53. kick |
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