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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:48 PM Original message |
Why should there even BE an invocation? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. True. Isn't there a separation of church and state? And why is Christianity chosen? |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you for asking the most obvious question everyone appears to be overlooking! |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. i guess its the choise of the dude being inaugerated |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I have many friends in service bands... |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. In a perfect world, there would be NO invocation or benediction |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It makes me wonder though... |
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hamsterjill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. I am one of those |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Why? How Is No Invocation More Indicative Of A Perfect World? Does The Invocation Hurt You Somehow? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. In a perfect world, our government is COMPLETELY secular.... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Our Government Is. Its Representatives Are Not. There's Nothing Wrong With That Either. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Let me rephrase... in *MY* perfect world, all of our representatives are rational... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. A World Full Of Bigots Who Can't Tolerate Others Points Of View Is Not Perfect. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. It's coming---and soon! |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. In an ideal world, |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. A lot of gay people felt the same way, not too long ago... |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
7. That was my first thought. WTF? This isn't a theocracy. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. An Invocation Has Nothing To Do With Whether Or Not We're A Theocracy. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
9. Because Most Politicians Are Still Religious, As Is Most Of The Country. It's An Innocent Practice. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. I understand that it's a tradition... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. There's Not A Thing Wrong With It Being Part Of The Swearing In. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Is it really a personal decision? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. personal decisions can be political decisions |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. You're Talking About Something Completely Different Now. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. You mentioned that it was a personal choice... |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. First I agree with Hitchen and now I'm agreeing up with OMC |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. THAT is the Question. Separation of Church & State? Let's get back to the basics |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. The Invocation Has Not A Thing To Do With Separation Of Church And State. Educate Yourself. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Your capitalized subject line has once again conclusively proven your point. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Your Complete Lack Of Substance Has Once Again Conclusively Shown You Have No Counter Argument. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Since you seem to have problems reading any posts but your own... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It's Not A Violation Of The Establishment Clause In Any Way Shape Or Form. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Wow, you explained that so well |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Read mine instead |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. You're Projecting. |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. The Bottom line here is that there is no place for prayers in any Governmental gathering |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
20. Yes, I think there should be. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. But what about those who believe in no god? |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. I am an agnotheist. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Great Post! |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. It's the "non-doctrinal" part that's the problem... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
24. I asked myself the same question, but this seems to be a tradition, |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
27. True, and I agree, but he wouldn't get re-elected without one |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
28. Good point. Some traditions develop and are hard to get rid of |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. There shouldn't be... |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
32. If Obama is about unity, then he'll include us all. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
48. God bless us, every one...except for the atheists? |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I am a bit confused by things these days. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I'm kind of in the same boat... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
34. Let's take a look, shall we? |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I'm giving him this one. But by criminy that 2013 invocation better be Wiccan! |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
42. Because so many people want to believe the fantasy that there is a |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. As someone who shuns empirical evidence and clings to possibility... |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Reminds me of the Pharisees. |
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Qanisqineq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
51. that was my thought also |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
54. You are an awesome thinker. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
56. because... |
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