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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 06:59 PM
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LAT: Inglewood police repeatedly resorting to deadly force
Inglewood police repeatedly resorting to deadly force
A Times investigation shows that the problem of Inglewood police officers shooting unarmed suspects isn't new.

By Jack Leonard and Victoria Kim
12:35 PM PST, December 27, 2008
One summer evening in 2005, an Inglewood police officer stood with his gun aimed at a schizophrenic man who had been stopped for drinking beer in public.

The officer ordered Jule Dexter to put his hands on the hood of the police car, but Dexter's baggy pants started slipping.

"Please let me pull my pants up," Dexter pleaded, according to a witness' sworn testimony.

"Don't move!" the officer yelled.

But Dexter, 27, reached to pull up his pants, witnesses said. The officer fired four shots into Dexter's back and head, killing him.

Over the last six years, Inglewood police officers have repeatedly resorted to physical or deadly force against suspects who were unarmed or accused of minor offenses, a Times investigation found.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-inglewood28-2008dec28,0,2459345.story?page=1

Take away the damn tasers and change the use of deadly force to not simply shot to kill but rather to more judgment based approach. There is no reason they need to be trained to automatically empty their clip (see Amadou Diallo).:puke:

They need to rebuild these departments from the ground up...

:mad:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:03 PM
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1. Good gracious.
Killing him for his pants slipping down. Wtf indeed.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:05 PM
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2. They are trained to believe that every move that they do not authorize...
...is a lethal threat. It's rubbish. It's wrong. And it's murder...imprison the fuckers. No one is forcing these officers to pull the trigger.

God help Southern California.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:09 PM
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3. Personally, I would not reach for my waistline
at gunpoint after being told to "not move". Pretty fucking dumb actually. Put up a murder charge and see if it sticks.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:09 PM
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4. That is because every move COULD BE a lethal threat.
Those cops had probably encountered the crazy guy before.

I would have shot him, too, but four to the back and head seems a bit of overkill.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:10 PM
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5. His pants were falling down!
Is this police officer stupid?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:38 PM
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10. I actually believe some areas need ordinances banning baggy pants.
The Bridge Idiots come to our Town from Oakland and Richmond, dressed like that, trying to get attention.

They get it, too. Usually in the form of two of Tiburon's Finest, to escort them anywhere they would like to go.


Back to your question with one of my own.

Have you ever been on either end of a firearm in a tense situation? I have (from both ends, unfortunately).

There is no time to contemplate the finer points.

The guy was not only schizoid, but stupid to boot.

I am not arguing with you, ellisonz, merely trying to make a point. It is a damned shame when innocent people get killed, no one likes that.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:45 PM
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12. No. I avoid police like I avoid AIDS.
You're making excuses. Police brutality occurs rather often in the United States. It happens for a reason...I've had some experience with the LA County Sheriffs Department and I haven't been impressed with their reasoning ability (cops: you're sweating, you must be on drugs, me: it's 90+ in the back of the car, cops: you counted to ten rather fast, why are you nervous? me: I understand basic math.)

This was murder. The man was very obviously not armed. Ordinances don't stop police murder and they don't stop police riots.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 08:58 PM
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18. You've had a gun bead on you *and* you've drawn a gun on someone?
You've had quite the exciting life, eh?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:10 PM
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19. Once was exciting, the others pretty terrifying.
Edited on Sat Dec-27-08 09:15 PM by TomInTib
I have been robbed at gunpoint on a few occasions.

But a neighbor and I (extremely rural Deep East Texas) broke up a car theft ring that was being run by some locals. Total draw-down, ran them off the road, held them in the street while awaiting the Sheriff. Right in front of a house full of their relatives on Super Bowl Sunday morning.

It was pretty exciting, but we knew what we were doing. And they knew we would (gladly) kill them if they tried anything. I don't have a lot of regard for the so-called sanctity of human life.

I have a valid CC permit from Texas, and I make full use of it. Unless I am flying commercial, I am armed.

And, yes, I have led a pretty exciting (if you want to call it that) life. Since I was a kid, my motto has been "Sure, why not?". Thrill is a great stimulant.


on edit: My Brother killed a guy who was the leader of a vicious Home Invasion gang in SW Houston. We are no strangers to violence.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 10:18 PM
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21. "I don't have a lot of regard for the so-called sanctity of human life."
I have to agree with you, Tom. Whoever thought that one up was smoking some killer shit.


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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 10:26 PM
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22. When it comes down to it...
"Kill or be killed' is pretty much a no-brainer.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 01:01 AM
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28. So, what do you carry?
I've only ever seen one open carry in the Bay Area, right hand to God, on a guy on a bike in Berkeley. What is it you carry?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:20 PM
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8. My stepbrother who's a cop hasn't shot anyone yet, though.
I'm sure he's been in a similar situation many times before, and he hasn't shot anyone. I think that a cop can use common sense in every situation, too.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:35 AM
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42. This particular department has been out of control for many years. n/t
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:12 PM
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6. Fuck the POLICE
We are better off with unruly mobs ruling the streets than with these swine.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:18 PM
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7. Move to inglewood or irvington. nj
and then see how bad the police are. Questionable shootings are a reality in high crimes areas. Police are not the problem.

Not so much in Greenwich CT, lot less guns going off..
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 08:01 PM
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14. I'm with you!!!
all fucking cops are in it because they are on an authority kick and usually have anger issues!
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:26 PM
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9. Having once been married to a member of the local
constabulary, I can state that, in general, those who really, truly, desperately wants to be a police officer shouldn't be allowed to become one.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:44 PM
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11. Ever been to Ingelwood?
lot of cops shot to death there
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 08:00 PM
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13. tough shit
most pigs are the scum of the earth
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 08:21 PM
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15. You're a disgrace.
Grow up.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:18 PM
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20. You sound like Leslie Van Houten
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 02:10 AM
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32. Are you 12? eom
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 11:35 PM
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23. Wrong.
Edited on Sat Dec-27-08 11:37 PM by ellisonz
Only one member of the Inglewood Police Department has died by gunfire in its history. That was in 1988. The other two deaths are from motorcycle accident.

http://www.odmp.org/agency/1800-inglewood-police-department-california

This little department is like LAPD Squared in its corruption. I have been to Inglewood and my mother lives about a 10 minute drive away in Lawndale.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 02:10 AM
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31. Thank you, saved me the trouble. n/t
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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:08 PM
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37. Well if the cops are a gang of murderous thugs...
I can't fault people for defending themselves.
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Leftest Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 08:43 PM
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16. I was a student at Northrup University back in the early 90's, and
while on campus near LAX two Inglewood police (just as classes were starting back up after lunch) come zooming into the campus with their car and skidding to a stop almost running down a student walking around a corner. Then they get out of their car with one of the officer's gun drawn and run into the classroom where I was and the officer who's gun was drawn started shouting and pointing his weapon at one of the students.

Here's a few more details. Our teacher was also a LAPD CRASH (Cops Retaliation Against Street Hoodlums) officer. He drew out his badge and told the shouting officer he'd better put his weapon away if he knew what was good for him. Come to find out what set this whole incident off was one of the students was running late to get back to class after lunch so instead of waiting for the light to cross the street from the parking lot to the school he j-walked across the street a little ways past the light. Here's the reason behind the over reacting Inglewood cop. The other officer with him was an attractive brand new rookie female cop. He thought he was showing how much of a tough guy he was to impress her.


Sounds crazy but its a true story.


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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 01:39 AM
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29. I went there too, 20 years earlier...and the Inglewood police were noxious even then.
Edited on Sun Dec-28-08 01:43 AM by HardcoreProgressive
They really did not like being called to the NIT dorm, which happened with some regularity.

One of the problems is that part of the campus was in Inglewood, part in LA (don't recall if it was county or city). One night the bookstore (now long gone) was broken into and the alarm was sounding. We called the cops and since the dispatcher could not figure out which one had jurisdiction, they send both.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 02:41 AM
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33. Mele Kalikimaka!
:hi:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 08:54 PM
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17. Typical So Cal police behavior
it's been like that for 30 years- and it's NEVER going to change, so get used to it.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 11:38 PM
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24. Don't make it right...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 12:06 AM
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25. Never said it did
It's just inertia in the system.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 12:14 AM
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26. Fuck the system.
But really, until these guys are no longer above the law you're right, it's systemic corruption.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 12:34 AM
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27. As long as fear- and the thin blue line, etc. drive rationalizations
Nothing's going to change in So Cal -or in other places where similar processes have managed to cement themselves into the culture.

Some thought that Rodney King & the aftermath would be different than other, similar situations and scadals the LA metropolitan area- but they weren't -and they won't be.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 02:08 AM
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30. It's just a bunch of Blacks and Mexicans, who cares?
:sarcasm:
Just ask any resident of Mount Olympus.

Fucking parasites.


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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:21 AM
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34. You are aware that Inglewood is a heavily minority city?
Not clear what the breakout is for the police force though
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:04 PM
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36. Yes, thus the subject line. The parasites that run LA couldn't care less
about what goes on in Inglewood (a part of the infamous "south-central") as long as they keep the residents out of their neighborhoods.


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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:28 PM
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38. Inglewood is not part of LA, nor south central
Its and independent city with its own mayor.....and police force. It is also the poster child for white flight and was the first school district ever allowed to discontinue busing instituted to address racial imbalance. I used to live there.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:08 AM
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40. It is an independent city but most of it is, in fact, what has been designated as "south central"
since Watts has come to be associated with the riots. Same thing in north Long Beach and parts of Lawndale. It's part of the redefining of reality to cloud the issue.


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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:44 PM
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39. The two LAs....
One of the LAs is the wealthy enclave that is found in the Santa Monica Mountains and in the "flats" along Wilshire Boulevard to the south and Ventura Boulevard to the north between downtown and the ocean and to some degree to the east between downtown and Pasadena although parts of that area are no longer "desireable" for the majority of those with the money to have their own LA. Everything else is the other LA.

The other LA is a massive city of poor, which in LA includes the middle-class, minorities and whites who simply try to survive the best they can in a city where they are ignored for the most part. As a result, the entire LA area is becoming a gigantic sewer about to overflow.

I used to love LA. I have no intention of ever going back. The "disparity" between the two LAs is more than my soul can take.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:31 AM
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41. Your reply really struck home with me. In better times I had a house in Bronson Canyon
All of my neighbors were completely clueless about what was going less than 2 miles from our places. They were, much like most of DU, very nice but adamant in not knowing the facts.

Sometimes I really miss it, it is an incredibly appealing fantasy that we/they live in, but when reality intrudes on us, the reaction is pretty shocking.

Peace & Love


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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 06:00 AM
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35. The shootings in the article are the least of Inglewood PDs problems.
Inglewood residents demand change after shootings
Posted 7/23/2008 6:42 AM

By Thomas Watkins, Associated Press Writer
INGLEWOOD, Calif. — Friends and relatives of Kevin Wicks didn't accept the official explanation of why police fatally shot him when they were called to his apartment building.

Now they question why the officer who pulled the trigger was even there in the first place -- just two months after being involved in another fatal shooting.

Officer Brian Ragan, a five-year veteran of the Inglewood Police Department, was placed on leave for the second time in 10 weeks after shooting Wicks early Monday. Those who knew the 38-year-old Wicks said he was a kind, gentle man who never had a problem with police, and they called for a federal probe into his death.

Ragan is still under investigation for a May 11 shooting in which he and his partner fired multiple rounds at a car, killing 19-year-old passenger Michael Byoune. Police said at the time the officers believed the car was heading toward them and that gunshots were coming from within.

Officials said the officers apparently did not identify themselves before opening fire. The car's occupants were unarmed.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-07-23-3328783451_x.htm

The family of Kevin Wicks has filed two seperate suits against the department.
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