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DeepBlueDem Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 09:35 PM
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Ford, Chrysler & GM's contributions after 9/11
Edited on Sun Dec-28-08 09:38 PM by DeepBlueDem



CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford,
Chrysler and GM's contributions to the relief and
recovery efforts in New York and Washington after 9/11. The
findings are as follows.....


1. Ford - $10 million to American Red Cross matching
employee contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursions
to NY Fire Dept. The company also offered ER response team
services and office space to displaced government employees.


2. GM - $10 million to American Red Cross matching
employee contributions of the same number and a fleet of
vans, suv's, and trucks.

3. Daimler Chrysler - $10 million to support of the
children and victims of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles - $1 million and 30 new
motorcycles to the New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen - Employees and management created a Sept 11
Foundation, funded initial with $2 million, for the
assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai - $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi - Nothing.

8. BMW - Nothing.

9. Daewoo - Nothing.

10. Fiat - Nothing.

11. Honda - Nothing despite boasting of second best sales
month ever in August 2001

12. Isuzu - Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi -Nothing.

14. Nissan - Nothing.

15. Porsche - Nothing. Press release with condolences via
the Porsche web site.

16. Subaru - Nothing.

17. Suzuki - Nothing.

18. Toyota - Nothing despite claims of high sales in July
and August 2001. Condolences posted on the web site

Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a
new vehicle, keep this information in mind. You might want
to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an
American-owned and/or American based company. Apart from
Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies
contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United
States ...

It's OK for these companies to take money out of this
country, but it is apparently not acceptable to return some
in a time of crisis. I believe we should not forget things
like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their
attention..

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 09:40 PM
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1. i would also like to see a list of what the financial companies did after 9/11.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 09:44 PM
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2. Mixture of Truth, Falsity and Outdated Information...
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:21 PM
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3. What have the Japanese, Germans and Koreans done for us lately?
Other than despoil our landscape, prevent us from building or exporting OUR cars to their countries, and sending their profits back to their homelands.


Too bad they are worshiped here, they are the enemy and never were our friends.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:55 PM
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6. Are you OK with telling lies about them?...
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 12:00 AM by SidDithers
'Cause that's all I did, correct the BS posted in the OP.

Sid
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:04 AM
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7. Bs to the eyes of the beholder.
I guess you don't mind having them destroy our manufacturing base, along with their apologist Senators from the South.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:09 AM
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28. To these eyes, your username is looking rather unfortunate right now.
Posting lies and half-truths (as has been Snoped), building straw men against other posters, and general carrying on. Chill out and think next time before you post a 7 year old chain email. :)
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:27 PM
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4. Looks like lies to make foreigners look evil.

Some people always think anything bad is caused by someone different than them.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:36 PM
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5. Daewoo is a GM company. And Fiat? In what year was the last Fiat sold here?
Pointless.

No guilt from me, I buy used, and my Mazda is technically a Ford product.

:patriot:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:06 AM
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8. Ford sold their controlling interest in Mazda
:cry: And got thrown off the board of directors. Now lets see if Mazda survives without Ford.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:19 AM
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9. They still have a good stake in Mazda
who I do think will be just fine.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:25 AM
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10. They are a great car maker who is ignored in the US market because of their Ford affiliation
by the 'purists'. Hell, If I wasn't a died in bow tie gold Chevy orange, I'd consider buying one.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:32 AM
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11. Don't tell anyone, but
I actually kind of like it that way. The pauper of the Japanese marques, with strong ties to American platforms. Keeps them cheaper. Cheaper, and even Car & Driver chose my 'Speed3 over the Mitsubishi and Subaru competition.

BUT, I do wish that the HHR SS had come out a couple years ago. And Saturn needs a Redline Astra. God, that would be brilliant.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:41 AM
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12. I drove an HHR auto Ss and a Cobalt FOUR DOOR stick SS last week
They were BIG fun, but take the SS badges off the Cobalt and you have a stealth fighter of the nth degree. And with Posi, wow. Add the new Corsa exhaust, air intake kit, and reprogram the computer, 300+ horsepower in a heartbeat and still 25 MPG highway.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:44 AM
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13. Cobalt still has that big wing though, right?
I didn't know they made a 4 door SS. Good move, since all of it's competition (the Mazdaspeed 3, Subie WRx, GTi, Evo and Civic Si) are all either 4 door, 5 door hatches or 2 doors available as a 4 door.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:48 AM
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14. Nope, NO wing on the 4 door. a little spoiler, that's it.
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 12:59 AM by DainBramaged
$25,515 sticker with EVERY option.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:58 AM
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15. THAT is a good looking car.
Is that new for '09, the four door that is?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:02 AM
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16. Yup, going after the competition big time
and besides, it's easier to throw the ballast, errr groceries in the back.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:09 AM
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17. Hey, the Cobalt is on the Astra platform, right?
SS Cobalt hatchback based on the Astra hatch platform. I'd love to see GM build that.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:11 AM
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18. Nope, but I think this is the last stand before the Cobalt disappears in 2 years
and becomes the Cruze. It would be bitchin to put these pieces in the Astra though.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:17 AM
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20. GM has been known to make absolutely brilliant limited edition runs.
The Grand National/GNx, the Turbo T/A Pace Car, the Cyclone and Typhoon, the GTO (new).

The Astra VXR does well in the UK, so you know there's a market for it here.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:19 AM
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21. Here
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:25 AM
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22. Did I see Brembo brake calipers in that video?
I like the seats a lot, too.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:27 AM
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23. Yes you did, standard!!! $25,000, 0-60 5.5, 30 MPG highway, 13.98 1/4 stock
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 01:32 AM by DainBramaged
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:37 AM
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24. I hope GM sells a billion of them.
These are the cars they should be throwing at the public and saying "look at us!".

I'm a total gearhead and had NO idea that they had this 4 door barnstormer available.

Brembo brakes on a Cobalt, standard. I'll be damned.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:47 AM
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25. Bedtime, but yes, they should be on the showroom floors
the youth would be flocking in DROVES if they knew they were available. Why buy a Honda or Mitsubishi? And you get a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty, WHICH INCLIUDES THE CLUTCH!

Catch ya later.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:16 AM
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19. There are probably plenty of good reasons to buy American cars...
Particularly the creation of American jobs. But to use 9-11 as a political chip is not funny and not the kind of action we condone. Unless we're taking tickets from the Rudy Giuliani book now.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:49 AM
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26. This thread should have 400 K&Rs!
Union members give a damn about the nation.
Like good neighbors, they support others in their time of need.

Warmongering corporations only give a damn about their bottom line.
Ruthless executives don't give a damn about anyone else.
They send jobs and factories and profits overseas.
As long as they make a buck and get a tax break, they don't care.

It's nothing new. It's how colonialism worked.
When all the Indians died working the mines or ethnically cleansed, the overlords called in slaves.
When that became illegal, they created sweatshops and indentured servitude.

It still goes on today. All around the world, a small percentage control the lion's share of the wealth.
If you want to live in a nation like Haiti, where 1-percent of the population own 99-percent of the wealth,
go on keeping you heads in the sand. American is heading in that direction.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 01:54 AM
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27. Anyone reading this needs to know about Sen. Corker's complicity-
his 'screw the seniors' plan. Actually the entire current admin are in on it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4724616
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:47 AM
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29. You forgot the grain of salt.
First off, these charges are almost entirely false. Most of the companies accused of making no contributions to September 11 relief efforts did, in fact, contribute money and/or resources. In some cases, the non-U.S. companies mentioned are owned by or partnered with American companies who gave generously. Directly or indirectly, every one of these auto manufacturers supported the cause.

Secondly, an important bit of information was lost between the early version of the message (immediately above) and the later one (top of page): the roster of supposed contributors and non-contributors did not originate on CNN, but rather was the result of a Web search by the anonymous author of the email, who stated: "I went to (the news, press release and philanthropic areas of) each of the companies Websites. If the company had several sites, I tried to visit them all. Additionally, I visited the leading news and automotive sites. As of today, one week since the attacks, this is what I have found..."

The flaw in that methodology is obvious. Just because reports of donations couldn't be found online doesn't mean none were made. The author jumped to unjustified conclusions.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blautomakers.htm
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