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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:29 PM
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I'm glad Barack Obama hasn't spoken out on the Gaza attacks.

This is the kind of thing that could really derail his presidency before it starts.

Keep it on the down low, I say. It is the safest course.



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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:32 PM
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1. Silence is acquiesence.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:11 PM
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25. I know
I'm pissed
Excuse my sarcasm
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:12 PM
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26. I so agree. He is obligated to speak out for humaneness.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:12 PM
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27. Dupe. But still feel strongly. He could stop the way this crazy cycle always plays out.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 04:15 PM by chimpymustgo
Israel kills, maims, destroys. We do and say nothing.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:33 PM
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2. Why should he care? It's just crazy people retaliating against other crazy people.
Nothing new as far as the Middle East is concerned.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:35 PM
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3. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing to stop it, sir.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:35 PM
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4. I admire his "consistency" throughout the campaign and am confident
he'll stay consistent right up until Jan 20th. The first time he speaks out on an issue before then, he'll be expected to speak out on everything.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:37 PM
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6. Not really. He was actively involved in the bailout, wasn't he?
Or, am I misremembering that?
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:40 PM
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9. No, he let McCain be the star of that show.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:43 PM
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11. McCain did make a big fuss but Obama was at that meeting and he spoke to the press.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:45 PM
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15. he was summoned to the WH. He could hardly have refused
not without seriously damaging his campaign.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:46 PM
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16. Right. He was summoned to the White House.
Theater.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:52 PM
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18. uh, yeah. much of politics everywhere is theatre
Cynthia McKinney going on a boat to Gaza: Theater. Do you condemn that as well, or do you only condemn the theater that doesn't fit with your particular narrative?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:57 PM
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20. Cynthia McKinney got press for Free Gaza. Why should i criticize that?
And I didn't condemn your little plot that has Obama trotting off to DC at Junior's bidding. I just named it for what it is.

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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:54 PM
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19. As I recall, prior to being summoned, he stated that he had no intention
of going to Washington.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:58 PM
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21. Well, he changed his mind, which is fine. He talked to the press, too,
and that's his prerogative.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:04 PM
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22. He was quite clear about his top four priorities in any bailout package.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:07 PM
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23. I just called Kerry's office at the Foreign Relations Committee.
Imho, Kerry is a better bet right now if we want to try to support a ceasefire:

U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-6225

Majority Phone: (202) 224-4651

Kerry's own mailbox at his Senate office seems to be full right now, fyi.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:10 PM
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24. It truly pains me that he isn't at State. I guess Condi has it under control.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:15 PM
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28. Maybe. He has more independence in the Senate, though.
John Kerry will be very important in the next years, and the job couldn't fall to a better man. When he's fighting for someone/thing else, he's very effective. He was one of Obama's very best surrogates. Too bad Kerry didn't have a Kerry to cover him!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:17 PM
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29. Obama has been actively discussing his stimulus plan. He says nothing about
Israel's crimes.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:06 PM
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33. You are wrong
He demanded the Congressional Democrats vote for the bailout.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:43 PM
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12. He only got involved when McCain forced Bush to call Barack to Washington.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:45 PM
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14. McCain couldn't force Obama to talk to the press as he did repeatedly.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:36 PM
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5. Safe for whom?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:41 PM
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10. you ought to know my
sarcasm better than most. ;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:44 PM
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13. Oh! Sorry!
lol

:blush:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:37 PM
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7. I don't see how he can keep it up until the 20th
. . . especially if there isn't a cease-fire soon.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:18 PM
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30. Doncha know, that's what Israel's counting on?? The killing party can last another 20 days!
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:39 PM
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8. I agree with his idea of only one president at a time.
This is especially true when Bush is hanging himself. I am sure that Obama has plans for the Middle East and will implement them after January 20. No need to show his hand now and be criticized before he takes office.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:48 PM
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17. He should come down right in the middle. Both sides are wrong
One side has more power and money and their assaults have deadlier results.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:23 PM
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31. Yet. He hasn't spoken out yet.
This has been his style all along (except when it comes to bashing gays).

He is very thoughtful (except when it comes to gay rights) and he should be commended for not jumping in with statements that may not add anything constructive while emotions are running so hot.

Which is what he should have done regarding Warren: select someone who is not so eager to inject himself into an emotional issue.

Obama is wise not to inject himself into this situation at this time.

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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:48 PM
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32. Forget your sarcasm icon? Safest course for whom? Not these children!!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:07 PM
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34. Obama's hands are tied until 1-20-09. n/t
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 06:10 PM by AtomicKitten
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:29 PM
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35. He can't until 1/20/09.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 06:30 PM by Are_grits_groceries
Anything he says will be taken as official US policy. It will be misconstrued as
an official stance by the government. It may seem to be an innocuous phrase expressing
sorrow, but it will be taken by one side ot the other as approval of their position.
One reason we are so hamstrung is that we have been forcefully on one side in the Middle
East with no conditions.
Bushco cannot enter any talks without them being seen as already having a position. Obama
will have to be ready to come right out and state a position as soon as he has taken the oath.
Without injecting himself now, he may have a faint chance of being a broker. It will be hard
because of the past 8 years and because we have troops in the Middle East.
Talk about an unstable situation that is FUBAR.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:32 PM
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36. "safest" no, there are always backseat drivers, however...
like it or not, it's one president at a time, and if bushco can't be arsed to lead, then we need to put the blame where it belongs -- on bushco

give obama a minute to get his ass in the chair before chewing him out for the other dude's screwups
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:11 PM
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37. Presidents-elect almost never talk about foreign policy
That's a pretty well-established precedent, and I can understand the reasoning there.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:13 PM
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38. Sounds like the cowards way out, or maybe he's ambivalent.
Convictions come with power and passion and are rarely politically correct. Maybe he has none, convictions that is. Perhaps he's become so inured of being a pretty boy occupying a position in power politics that he sees occupation as a good and necessary thing.

Who knows what kind of critter came in this poke that we've bought. Historically pigs come in pokes.

"A pig in a poke." It's southern vernacular for picking what's behind door #3...you just never know what it is before the host opens the door.

Maybe he's just a talking head like our last "leader."
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:23 PM
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39. There can't be too many people talking for the government.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 07:25 PM by Are_grits_groceries
As I said, if Obama doesn't become enmeshed in this with a statement,
there is an outside chance he could be an honest broker in the conflict.

I wish he could take over right now. However, he is not the President, but his
statements will be taken as policy. They are already using statements Obama made
as a Senator as proof of how he feels.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:57 PM
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40. Yes, grits are definitely groceries.
You are creeping up on a thousand posts so I'll say congrats now in case I'm not watching when you speed past.

BO is the consummate pol. The machine is so well oiled that it's almost elegant in it's function. He was my third choice and none of them was Hillary. I still dream the myth of representative government. We might be better off to ignore the young prince and watch his regents, a mistake that we made with Gee Dubious.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 06:49 PM
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41. Thanks!
I'd keep an eye on my Mama if she was running or elected.
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