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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:54 PM
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Something I hope nobody ever sees again.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:56 PM
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1. OMG.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:58 PM
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2. Agreed
There are few sacred cows in my universe

But "Never return to the draft" is one of them

Even if it stops us from going to war (it won't by the way)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:03 PM
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3. I took my test, nearly max-ed it, got into MI and got sent to a mountain
far away. I joined to get the intelligence gig. It was worth the two extra years.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:34 AM
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25. Me too, in my universe also. eom
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:03 PM
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4. i agree, with one contradictory thought...
the 'draft' will not slow down, let alone stop, the direction our government has taken for 50+ years with the military...

but, i do believe if there was a draft currently, the ease with which our 'leaders' commit our people and resources to war efforts would be tested by people 'in the streets' in the 10's of thousands, ala Viet Nam era...

the 'volunteer' military is one of the tools used to distance the general population from active 'involvement' in the workings/effects of our military actions...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:06 PM
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5. That's true. The war hasn't hit home to many. All deaths are tragic, but
it is more tragic if the victim was not a willing participant in that war. That's what we had during Vietnam.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:30 AM
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24. That's right. And the current financial collapse will fill the quotas of the recuiters
faster than they can translate recruits into body bags.

be all that you can be!
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:08 PM
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6. Don't worry -- you never will
The draft will never return. Never. Period end of story.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:18 PM
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7. I will fight it if they try.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:22 PM
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8. I hope you're right.
But I don't share your optimism. I think that back in late 2003, we were one "terra" attack away from needing the draft to staff up an attack on Iran or North Korea.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:27 PM
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9. It will be hidden in "mandatory civil service"
Enlistment insures citizenship. Would you like to know more?
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:13 PM
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31. Only the left wants that
No one else talks about mandatory civil service.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:34 PM
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11. I honestly hope that's true
but I don't know...

Just like other horrible things that happened in History, as long as there are people alive who remember firsthand the pain and horror, we're probably safe from repeating History.

But what happens when people who lived through it all are gone? Hopefully the memory and the lessons live on....


BTW...I can't even see a photo of the Vietnam Vets Memorial Wall without breaking out in tears...

all wars are such a waste, but I grew up in the shadow of the Vietnam war and to know that so many young people my age died for such a thing breaks my heart.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:30 PM
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10. Wow.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:35 PM
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12. Wow! Damn! I showed this to my son. I know exactly where
that is.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:39 PM
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13. I dodged the draft....
I sure showed them!

I enlisted in the Fucking Marine Corps!

What was I thinking???

I'm applying for our local draft board... they still exist, you know.
I will do anything to keep anybody from going anywhere
if they re-institute the draft.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:12 PM
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15. I signed up too
The ethical people should be on it
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:39 PM
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16. I wanted to be on the draft board, but they don't want me because
I'm retired military. I don't know why.


U.S. citizens
at least 18 years old
not a retired or active member of the Armed Forces or any Reserve component
live in the area in which the board has jurisdiction
be willing to spend enough time at the position.


http://www.sss.gov/FSlocal.htm
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:43 PM
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14. If Obama intends to send 20,000 kids to Afghanistan
I hope they bring back the draft. The soldiers are dead tired, after 3-4 deployments . Perhaps that is what it will take to wake the public up to what military families are going thru now.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:13 PM
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17. Let's see what he does about Afghanistan. It could be a whole new
mission. Afghanistan needs to be rebuilt. They need something other than the old war like ways.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:07 AM
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22. let afghanistan rebuild itself with heroin money
we need our tax money to rebuild back here. get us the hell out of there. altogether.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:21 AM
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23. they won't. We fucked up and will pay for it for decades.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:19 PM
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18. NATO allies are dropping the ball and at the rate the military
forces are going, they will be there for the next 25 years. Obama's original proposal to invade Iran where the Taliban has refuge, is the best idea and kill 'em all. Then, there will be a chance to rebuild infrastructure, a solid government with a strong leader and minimal military intervention from NATO.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:03 PM
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26. The NATO allies saw the writing on the wall, cut their losses and got out.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:19 PM
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19. If I see that I guarantee I will burn it...
Not only will I burn it, but I will burn it in very public fashion and dare them to arrest me on the spot. I would go to prison before I went to kill or be killed in an unjust battle.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:42 PM
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20. I never saw one of those, but
I did get a notice to report for a physical in 1965. It was anticipated, so I had taken the USAF exam and arranged with the recruiter to enlist immediately when I got the physical order. Since I aced the exam, the recruiter was happy to cooperate.

In the USAF, I spent a year at Syracuse University learning Russian, then went to Turkey for another year and a quarter, and spent a few months in Maryland before being discharged. All in all, it wasn't a bad way to serve.

I was opposed to the Vietnam war and enlistment was my compromise. As it turned out, nothing I did had anything whatsoever to do with Vietnam.

The only other option was Canada, and I could not do that, since my father had flown B-17s in WWII, and I had no problem with military service, per se.

Oddly enough, I was called a "draft-dodger" by several people during my enlistment.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 09:15 PM
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21. My friends and family were freaked about the FBI coming around asking
questions about me. They thought I was in trouble. I was getting a Top Secret Crypto clearance.


Our class signed up for Nam because we were assured that was where we were going to be block allocated. The top man in our class got his choice of assignments. He chose Asmara Ethiopia (now Eritrea). When our assignments came down we were block allocated toe Asmara. Only one person got sent to Nam, the guy who was promised his choice. He raised hell and got it changed to Asmara. When he got there he realized the people were black. Being a southern boy, he immediately transferred to Vietnam.

I have disability due to copying morse code. I get $123 a month for 10% disability for bilateral tinnitus.

If you haven't signed up for the VA, do it. You don't need to be disabled or anything like that, just a veteran.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:08 PM
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27. "They hate us for our freedoms".
And we continue to fool ourselves.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:11 PM
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28. I don't know what I would do,
roll a joint, or wipe my ass with it.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:17 PM
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30. Do what Ted Nugent did to get out of the military. He stopped bathing,
relieved himself in his clothes. It worked. Now he is a pro war asshole.



"I got 30 days' notice of the physical," Nugent told them. "I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up." Ted Nugent
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:12 PM
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29. Whoa...
That's heavy.
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