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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:44 PM
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Poll question: Seat or not Seat Burris?
To Seat or not too Seat?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:45 PM
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1. Ain't gonna happen.
The president-elect has made that clear.

So has the Senate. Goodbye, Rod. You're finished.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:47 PM
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2. He's tainted. This is Blagojevich's last "FUCK YOU" to Illinois, the USA and the world.
He wants to taint the otherwise stainless Burris with his own wrongdoing

He is, simply put, a dick

And on this one he won

If Burris sponsors any bill, Blagojevich knows the history will come up in the news
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:47 PM
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3. When Plaxico gets out of jail, let HIM decide
:rofl:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:50 PM
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4. 1. If the Illinois gov has the power to name an interim replacement...
And i have no idea if this is true or not.
But if it is and...
Blago is still the sitting governor of Illinois...
2. Then he would still have the legal power to name a replacement.
Is there any provision for the U.S.Senate to negate a State governor's appointment?
Murky business.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:38 PM
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12. Theoretically the Senate can refuse to seat a would-be senator.
As far as I know, it's never happened before, so the legal precedent is questionable.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:51 PM
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5. Follow the Constitution
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:02 PM
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7. BINGO!
The Constirution puts that power in the hands of the state, not Reid, or Obama. If Obama is worried about tainted government (or former)officials, he's got enough to deal with in Washington.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:20 PM
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8. Seconded
The law is the law. As long as Blagojevich is governor of Illinois, he has the right to appoint the senator.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:23 PM
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10. by that logic Bush
can run AMOK in the last days of his presidency...doesn't make it right...

sP
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:27 PM
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11. Never confuse 'right', or 'justice' with THE LAW.
Sorry.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:43 PM
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13. and he will.. His Poppy "gifted" Clinton with Somalia
in his waning days..

and Junior has some doozies left up his sleeve too..count on it..

I would like to see legislation that BARS any lame-duck president (when the party changes) from making ANY pollicy/regulation changes after the elction, without congressional approval..and the same for pardons..no pardons after the election. they have YEARS to make pardons..no more 11th hour F-U pardons as they exit..
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:23 PM
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21. That's my opinion as well.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 08:26 PM by femmocrat
Unless it is proven that Burris has some shady arrangement with Blago, it seems legit to me. I don't think Burris should be tarred with the same brush. Right now he looks like an acceptable candidate who could capably represent IL if given a fair opportunity.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 10:10 PM
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23. Especially since he is probably just a placeholder
I think that the Dems are more concerned about risking an open election in 2010 than any Blagojevich taint. If Burris is only going to be a placeholder (he is 71 years old) then they should seat him and have an open election in 2010. Blegojevich is not going to resign, and he is not going to cede his authority to Pat Quinn. This Senate seat can be held up indefinitely, which means we have one less Democratic vote, since the state legislature has decided against a special election.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:23 PM
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9. Article 1, section 5
"Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members,..."

The Senate can choose not to seat him if that is their will.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:58 PM
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15. There was no election, so there will be no returns to judge
The only other thing to judge will be his qualifications. As long as he is 30 years old, a citizen for at least nine years, and a resident of the state he represents he is qualified.

In 1969 The US Supreme Court ruled in Powell v. McCormack that someone who meets the constitutional requirements cannot be excluded. The only option the Senate has is to try to expel him, which would require a 2/3 vote.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:16 PM
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19. Tsk, tsk. This is DU, where we do not allow facts get in the way of opinions. n/t
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 09:36 PM
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22. Meet Theodore Bilbo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_G._Bilbo

Make sure you read the last few paragraphs about his time in the Senate.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:52 PM
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6. I agree with Obama.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:47 PM
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14. Me too....and frankly find it shocking that the majority of DUers who responded to this poll
Do not.

Sad, sad commentary.

Imagine the heads exploding around here if Blago were a Repub.?

Let him go ahead and seat whoever.....and not a one of the Dem Senators will have the least thing to do with him.
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:05 PM
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16. On what grounds would they keep him out?
That he was appointed by an accused but not convicted governor? There are no plausible grounds for keeping him out other than that they don't "feel" like seating him. I'd rather have any loyal Democrat in the seat than have an open seat and need one more Republican vote on all bills.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:21 AM
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25. There would be no need to have an "open seat" if the corrupt and hubris-filled
and federally-indicted Blagojevich would step down and allow Quinn to appoint the Senate seat.

The voters of Illinois wanted Blago gone many months ago.....he had no confidence long before these recent developments.

If he cares one iota about the people of Illinois, the dignity of the appointment of this Senate seat, or the Democratic Party, he will step aside.

Unfortunately, the malignant narcissist only cares about, and has only ever cared about, HISSELF!
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:08 PM
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17. I have no respect for Blago. BUT they should seat him provisionally - & hold a special election
in November of 2009.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 10:15 PM
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24. But then they winner of that election would have to run for relection in 2010
Remember, Obama's term would have been up in 2010. The state should not have to pay for a special election, which can be quite expensive. If Burris is just going to be a placeholder, then they should seat him, and have an open election in 2010.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:11 PM
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18. i'm leaning toward "seat the guy"
he seems like a good guy, he seems untainted by the scandal, and it's another democratic butt in the chair during those crucial first months

what's not to like?

we can't undo what has been done, we can only go forward

not saying i'm right, i'm saying this is how i'm leaning, i'm sure a good argument could persuade me the other way -- but right now how do we benefit by NOT having burris in that seat?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:19 PM
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20. No, do not seat him. And as Burris himself said, this isn't about him.
I agree with Obama and the Democratic caucus on this one.
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