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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 12:10 AM
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Iraq was a legacy of lies told and lies believed. A confused time. A tragic time.
Many of the Democratic candidates in the 2004 primary said they were urged by advisors from the Clinton administration to support giving George Bush authority to use arms in Iraq. Bill Clinton himself said he approved of what Bush was doing as late as 2004. Senator Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War Resolution. I posted parts of this before, but I hear the neocons are beating the war drums for Iran now. I hear that we might try to actually win in Afghanistan...a daunting endeavor indeed. Look what happened to the Soviet Union.

This is a long article from Mother Jones back in 2004. It will be hard to choose just some excerpts.

A Legacy of Lies

Faced with the need to justify an economically devastating and internationally unpopular embargo of Iraq, the Clinton administration engaged in a pattern of stretching and distorting weapons data to bolster their claim that Saddam Hussein was still hiding an illicit arsenal. The Clinton White House never used that "intelligence" to push for an invasion of Iraq, as Bush so effectively did. But in its desperate quest to salvage a crumbling Iraq policy, the Clinton White House laid the groundwork for the deceptions of their successors.

In a November 1997 Sunday morning appearance on ABC, Defense Secretary William Cohen held up a five-pound bag of sugar for the cameras to dramatize the threat of Iraqi anthrax: "This amount of anthrax could be spread over a city -- let's say the size of Washington. It would destroy at least half the population of that city. One breath and you are likely to face death within five days."

"It could wipe out populations of whole countries!" Cokie Roberts gasped as Cohen described the Iraqi arsenal. "Millions, millions," Cohen responded, "if it were properly dispersed."


A year later, at a nationally televised town hall meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright brought home the dangers: "Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face. The evidence is strong that Iraq continues to hide prohibited weapons and materials."


The article goes into the UN testimony of Hussein Kamel about the destruction of the weapons in the early 90s. It is pretty long, and we have cover it here before. Here is part though that I never saw.

There is now little doubt that Kamel was telling the truth. The strongest evidence -- evidence so unimpeachable it invites the word "proof" -- came in the form of a captured Iraqi document obtained in January by Barton Gellman of The Washington Post. The memo was composed five days after Kamel's defection, on August 13, 1995, and its author was Hossam Amin, Iraq's chief liaison to the U.N. inspectors. It was addressed to Qusay Hussein, Saddam's son. The letter was a piece of damage assessment. Kamel was expected to blow all Iraq's cover stories to the inspectors, and the regime needed to prepare itself for the fallout. So Amin proceeded to lay out for his boss, in minute detail, two separate storylines: The version Iraq had told the inspectors about each weapons program, and what the truth was. (Or, as the memo itself put it: "the matters that are known to the traitor and not declared" to the U.N.)

Among the memo's statements of fact was that "destruction of the biological weapons agents took place in the summer of 1991" In a comprehensive evaluation of the evidence, Gellman stood Kamel's 1995 briefing to the U.N. against the real story laid out in Amin's memo. The comparison, he concluded, "suggests that Kamel left little or nothing out."


Iraq had eliminated all its weapons of mass destruction by the summer of 1991, and the U.S. had been told of it in 1995. The rest is history.

I posted not long ago an article that was written in September 2002 before the vote on the IWR. It was written by Jay Bookman, an editor of the Atlanta Journal Constitution. We talked of here at DU then. It was like a ray of hope for us.

We even thought we could get Congress to listen after some other articles came out. But we could not. They did not pay attention to the hundreds of thousands of marchers, the calls, the emails. They voted on to give Bush that awesome power in early October 2002.

Here is the column which is now at the Information Clearing House. Still available after all these years.

The president's real goal in Iraq

The official story on Iraq has never made sense. The connection that the Bush administration has tried to draw between Iraq and al-Qaida has always seemed contrived and artificial. In fact, it was hard to believe that smart people in the Bush administration would start a major war based on such flimsy evidence. The pieces just didn't fit. Something else had to be going on; something was missing. In recent days, those missing pieces have finally begun to fall into place. As it turns out, this is not really about Iraq. It is not about weapons of mass destruction, or terrorism, or Saddam, or U.N. resolutions.

This war, should it come, is intended to mark the official emergence of the United States as a full-fledged global empire, seizing sole responsibility and authority as planetary policeman. It would be the culmination of a plan 10 years or more in the making, carried out by those who believe the United States must seize the opportunity for global domination, even if it means becoming the "American imperialists" that our enemies always claimed we were.


Bookman quoted Donald Kagan as saying we were "Gary Cooper."

"If our allies want a free ride, and they probably will, we can't stop that," he says. But he also argues that the United States, given its unique position, has no choice but to act anyway.

"You saw the movie 'High Noon'? he asks. "We're Gary Cooper."

Accepting the Cooper role would be an historic change in who we are as a nation, and in how we operate in the international arena.


It did change who we are as a nation. It changed our party to the extent that many have never been willing to accept their flawed role in giving an incompetent president such power. Yes, I said some of this before, but it needs to be said again.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 12:24 AM
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1. Defense Secretary William Cohen Just Wanted An Excuse To Torture People
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 12:32 AM
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2. Was he a Democrat or Republican?
I thought he was a Republican.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 12:34 AM
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3. If He Made Up Lies That Enabled Bush, What Difference Does It Make?
The better question, is he a closet Neocon?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 12:39 AM
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4. There seems to be little difference among many now.
That's what worries me.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 01:23 AM
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6. Republican. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 02:17 AM
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7. I thought so.
Thanks.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 01:10 AM
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5. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 03:52 PM
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8. Robert Fisk tells a tragic story from Iraq in 2006.
This man was actually in a Baghdad mortuary counting bodies. He was on the scene. Yet most of what we hear and believe is from a media that spins it and from talking heads who come out with their talking points.

From The Seattle Post-Intelligencer via Common Dreams website. June 2006.

Robert Fisk talks about Iraq, mass graves, and Haditha.

Could Haditha be just the tip of the mass grave?

The corpses we have glimpsed, the grainy footage of the cadavers and the dead children; could these be just a few of many? Does the handiwork of the United States' army of the slums go further? I remember clearly the first suspicions I had that murder most foul might be taking place in our name in Iraq. I was in the Baghdad mortuary, counting corpses, when one of the city's senior medical officials, an old friend, told me of his fears. "Everyone brings bodies here," he said. "But when the Americans bring bodies in, we are instructed that under no circumstances are we ever to do post-mortems. We were given to understand that this had already been done. Sometimes we'd get a piece of paper like this one with a body." And here the man handed me a U.S. military document showing with the hand-drawn outline of a man's body and the words "trauma wounds."

What kind of trauma is now being experienced in Iraq? Just who is doing the mass killing? Who is dumping so many bodies on garbage heaps? After Haditha, we are going to reshape our suspicions.
It's no good saying "a few bad apples." All occupation armies are corrupted. But do they all commit war crimes? The Algerians are still uncovering the mass graves left by the French paras who liquidated whole villages. We know of the rapist-killers of the Russian army in Chechnya.

We have all heard of Bloody Sunday. The Israelis sat and watched while their proxy Lebanese militia butchered and eviscerated its way through 1,700 Palestinians. And of course the words My Lai are now uttered again. Yes, the Nazis were much worse. And the Japanese. And the Croatian Ustashi. But this is us. This is our army. These young soldiers are our representatives in Iraq. And they have innocent blood on their hands.


More from Fisk, and you need to read the whole article.

In a way, we reporters are also to blame. Unable to venture outside Baghdad -- or around Baghdad itself -- Iraq's vastness has fallen under a thick, all-consuming shadow. We might occasionally notice sparks in the night -- a Haditha or two in the desert -- but we remain meekly cataloguing the numbers of "terrorists" supposedly scored in remote corners of Mesopotamia. For fear of the insurgent's knife, we can no longer investigate. And the Americans like it that way.


Robert Fisk from Berkeley..Conversations with History

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:15 PM
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9. K&R
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 06:41 PM
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10. Tragic? Without a doubt. Confused?
I don't know about a "confused" time. Certainly a number of Democratic officeholders seemed confused, but that's because they were being given intelligence that had been cherry-picked to a fare-thee-well. Why they didn't do a little independent fact-finding of their own is an obscenity. There was surely no shortage of people writing, e-mailing, and doing everything but sending up smoke signals that they were being played for chumps by the Bush administration. It would have required some political courage to slow the inexorable march to war, and that was in damn short supply at the end of 2002 and beginning of 2003.

To an alarming degree, the Democrats seem to have internalized that craven lesson, petrified of standing up for what's right out of fear for what the mean old 28% backwash partisans might say about them.
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 12:45 AM
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14. It's all explained when you consider the possibility that they were collaborators from the get-go.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 09:53 PM
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11. This story can't be told too many times
We may be on the brink of making another catastrophic mistake -- in Afghanistan or Iran.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 10:45 PM
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13. Exactly. Admittedly building up forces in Afghanistan.
Remember the words of Robert Fisk from September this year.

The Soviet general at Bagram now has his amanuensis in General David McKiernan, the senior US officer in Afghanistan, who proudly announced last month that US forces had killed "between 30 and 35 Taliban" in a raid on Azizabad near Herat. "In the light of emerging evidence pertaining (sic) to civilian casualties in the ... counter-insurgency operation," the luckless general now says, he feels it "prudent" – another big sic here – to review his original investigation. The evidence "pertaining", of course, is that the Americans probably killed 90 people in Azizabad, most of them women and children. We – let us be frank and own up to our role in the hapless Nato alliance in Afghanistan – have now slaughtered more than 500 Afghan civilians this year alone.These include a Nato missile attack on a wedding party in July when we splattered 47 of the guests all over the village of Deh Bala.

And Obama and McCain really think they're going to win in Afghanistan – before, I suppose, rushing their soldiers back to Iraq when the Baghdad government collapses. What the British couldn't do in the 19th century and what the Russians couldn't do at the end of the 20th century, we're going to achieve at the start of the 21 century, taking our terrible war into nuclear-armed Pakistan just for good measure. Fantasy again.

Joseph Conrad, who understood the powerlessness of powerful nations, would surely have made something of this. Yes, we have lost after we won in Afghanistan and now we will lose as we try to win again. Stuff happens.


Fisk was there in a Baghdad mortuary counting bodies in 2006. We were getting propaganda from Iraq then, and we are going to be getting the same from Afghanistan I fear.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 10:04 PM
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12. Few here at DU believed the lies because I remember the discussions,
I can't make myself believe that any elected official believed the lies. I'll take it a step further and say that Bob Graham removed himself from the senate rather than continue with the lies.
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 12:49 AM
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15. I consider your journal a must-read. Keep it up. I know it's a lot of work, but you do good. n/t
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 02:37 PM
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16. They were not confused; they are co-conspirators.
I was not confused. I knew it was wrong in every way.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 02:52 PM
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17. Afghanistan is different from Iraq
Iraq is a war based on lies.

I don't think Afghanistan is phony in the same way. We know why we're there, and most people support it. I personally think we should get out soon, but it's debatable in a way Iraq isn't.

Iran, forget about it. Fortunately, the neocons have an uphill battle getting that one.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 03:03 PM
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18. I don't think we're beyond all of that
There's still a media tendency to present these issues in an evenhanded way, rather than identifying the lies and the liars and providing the facts.

There's still a great deal of gullibility out here.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 04:21 PM
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19. TV highly overrated for selling iraq occupation
the real groundwork of coordinated uncontested repetition was done, and is still be done, on the GOP talk radio empire of 1000 stations across the country.

the lazy TV talking heads and political operatives and politicians are enabled by the fact that they know if they read it in a republican talking points fax in the morning it will be pounded into the earholes of tens of millions across the country by the end of the day. limbaugh and hannity already got their backs. while they go on and on attacking and lying about obama and progressives turn the dial looking for music and strategize without factoring in its dominant effect on what is and what isn't acceptable in the media, and in deciding what is a molehill and what is a mountain.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:10 AM
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20. It all doesn't fit for me. Yes, it's about imperialism. Yes, it was long in the planning.
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 11:15 AM by higher class
But, it is first and foremost about industry. We are in financial ruin, near ruin. The only way we're going to get out of this is to believe that we're not about imperialism and seek not to be about imperialism.

But, where does the economic freefall fit in? Planned or not planned? It appears to be planned because it makes us a second or third country force which is excellent for world industry and maximum profits FOR THE BARONS. Planned is substantiated by stealing our jobs, placing untold profits in other countries, registering businesses outside the legal jurisdiction of the U.S., moving factories, taking away rights. But, did the plan in Iraq go significantly wrong that the downfall spun out of control. Controlled downfall or out of control downfall. No one here believed Paulson. That means he was acting a part in the plan?

The passion for the bombing of Iran has two weeks to go under Cheney. And we're not even sure there won't be a military coup here.

Cheney is leaving plenty of troops of neo-cons to continue to plan the next attempt if we are blessed with normalcy of transition.

His last appearance seems to be concern about legacy and legality, mostly legality, but that depends on legacy as well.

Will there be enough lawyers to straighten things out fast before neo-cons gear up.

Do the neo-cons in the military just go away and write books about the failure of the plan?

Everyday the fog of the connections of Clinton to neo-cons clears a little. I thought he was tough on Iraq to keep the military happy. Maybe it was much worse than that.

Image that Pentagon World Command Map. Then ask - Where is industry? Where is the military? Where are the neo-cons - are some in the Dem side of Congress? Where do the Perles, Ledeens, Wolfowitzs, Feiths, Addingtons, Libbys, Boltons go for now? Does their Federalist Society cease? Do the think tanks and lobbyists find other work? Did they steal enough money to make more fortunes while they wait?

We are not free, yet. And we're in dangerous waters with some Dems - the ones who steal our privacy, plot against us financially by partnering with the big banks and their credit crap, not watching over our rights as voters, approving torture and death and the ruin of our kid-soldiers, and take away our rights within our own country and when we travel with the Patriot Act ramifications.

Beware the monsters. They have not crawled into any holes to hibernate.

The people have to figure out a way to take a stand against imperialism and one world order by military-industry-media-religion rule - as dictated by one segment of society - in this contry and with their partners in certain countries. They are a small group compared to those who want peace and peaceful cooperation among nations for their families.

We, the people, didn't do anything wrong to deserve these imperialists.
Iraqi people didn't do anything wrong to deserve our imperialism.

We can know if we can pull out of this if we know that the economic collapse was also planned. And Congress knows.
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