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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:39 PM
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TIME Mag: Guantánamo May Close, But in Afghanistan Another Gitmo Grows

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1869519,00.html


Guantánamo May Close, But in Afghanistan Another Gitmo Grows
By Mark Thompson / Washington Monday, Jan. 05, 2009


The incoming Obama Administration says it wants to shut down the U.S. military prison at Guantánamo Bay. But even if Guantánamo closes, it won't end the controversial U.S. practice of jailing suspected al-Qaeda militants and other terrorists indefinitely. That's because such detentions continue on an even greater scale at the U.S. military base at Bagram, Afghanistan, 40 miles north of Kabul. Roughly 250 detainees are currently being held at Guantánamo; an estimated 670 are locked up under similar conditions at Bagram.

The Obama transition team has declined comment on whether detention policy for enemy combatants will change with a new Administration. Nevertheless, the U.S. military is building a new prison for what it calls "unlawful enemy combatants" at Bagram that won't be finished until Obama is well settled in the White House. "The Obama Administration is inheriting not so much a shrinking Guantánamo as an expanding Bagram," says Tina Foster, executive director of the International Justice Network, a New York-based non-profit legal group. ("Trying to Tie Obama's Hands on Gitmo.")

Foster and a consortium of other human rights lawyers will be in federal district court in Washington on January 7 to demand that those being held at Bagram get the same habeas corpus rights — the right to know the charges against them, and to be freed if a court deems those charges insufficient — that the Supreme Court gave Guantánamo detainees last summer. Their case centers on Redha al-Najar, a 43-year-old Tunisian national, who has been held without charge in U.S. military custody since May 2002. Al-Najar was arrested in Karachi, Pakistan, where he had been living with his wife and child, and, according to his attorneys, spent the next two years being shifted among various CIA "black sites" before ending up at Bagram. They argue he has been held for more than six years, virtually incommunicado and without charges or access to a fair means to challenge his imprisonment. The suit asks the court to order al-Najar's release.

What the Pentagon calls "the long war" on terror has led the U.S. military to seek a way to keep people it deems a threat behind bars so long as the war continues. While Guantánamo's unique status — far from the battlefield, yet subject to total U.S. sovereignty — led the Supreme Court to grant Gitmo detainees habeas relief, the U.S. government argues that neither circumstance applies at Bagram. "Federal courts should not thrust themselves into the extraordinary role of reviewing the military's conduct of active hostilities overseas, second-guessing the military's determination as to which captured aliens as part of such hostilities should be detained, and in practical effect, superintending the Executive's conduct in waging a war," the Justice Department said in its December 19 filing in the al-Najar case.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:54 PM
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1. Apparently, the Justice Department missed the part about civilian control of the military.
"Federal courts should not thrust themselves into the extraordinary role of reviewing the military's conduct of active hostilities overseas, second-guessing the military's determination as to which captured aliens as part of such hostilities should be detained, and in practical effect, superintending the Executive's conduct in waging a war,"

But, what the hell, who needs checks and balances when the bogeyman is scaring the citizenry.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:58 PM
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2. We are not at war n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:00 PM
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3. Right. The bodybags really contain leftover pumpkin pie from Xmas.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:23 PM
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7. I guess we're in a civil war as well, by your definition
considering all the bullet riddled bodies that show up in the US every day.

Just when did Congress declare war?


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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:30 PM
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9. Kinda like saying water isn't wet because congress didn't say it is.
They've managed to shun they're responsibility to declare war by handing it off to the executive and looking innocent when the bodies come from non-wars.

The last I heard we have 140,000 guys carrying guns in Iraq and they aren't there to improve their tans.

Instead of declaring war congress just hands our money to the geniuses in the Pentagon to buy the bodybags and other essentials to keep the non-soldiers killing people.

And, instead of declaring war, they're going to send 30,000 non-soldiers to fight another lost non-war and fund them.



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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:01 PM
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4. and Cheney knows where else we're holding prisoners around the globe
. . . renditions to some CIA prison
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:05 PM
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5. "held without charge in U.S. military custody since May 2002"
I wonder where this reporting was in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. Now that these crooks are about to jump ship the media discovers all these crimes.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:31 PM
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6. I wonder how many people know...
just how many bases we have, where people can be 'detained', and how much torture we 'outsource'. I read that the number of bases in Iraq alone is 75, and globally it may be as many as 1,000.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:26 PM
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8. I bet we will start to learn a lot more as Bush leaves office
All the secrets are coming out now.
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