I say hat's off to: Patrick Fitzgerald, his stunt of a press conference has created in Burris...

one of the stupidest, vital news cycle eating fiasco's in American political history. Dude couldn't have done it better of he were a republican...oh, never mind :dunce:

without knowing it. He's a fucking dangerous jerk.

he used the brand new CIA technology that can control the words of people. Too bad Blago wasn't smart enough to keep his tin foil hat on.

Why arrest someone before you have evidence of a crime ?

Now look at that fool, he has been investigating for years, and now, after the arrest, he asks for 3 more months ?

What a fool.

he has evidence of perjury and obstruction.

and he headed it off.

any crime was committed.

Now poor, incompetent, partisan hack, "Fitz", needs a ninety day extension to make a case against Blagojevich after already proclaiming Blagojevich's guilt in a news conference.

Too bad "Fitz" wasn't as aggressive in the Plame case.

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Because from my understanding, and I'm certainly no lawyer, talking about selling a senate seat to people interested in the senate seat constitutes some kind of conspiracy to sell that senate seat. But I guess by your logic if I attempt to kill someone but fail because the cops get to me before I can get to my victim I haven't committed any crime.

Now you're party to a conspiracy -- according to your "logic".

What school did you go to?

...a lawyer. But I do seem to know enough to know that you are talking out of your ass. Here, maybe this will help you:

http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/conspiracy.html

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/19/toc.html

It's funny how smart people such as yourself will abandon all reason and logic to defend "the team". I would have never thought in a million years I'd see that here on DU; but the more things change the more they stay the same.

Here, on K St downtown, if you sit there long enough, you can hear someone say, "I'll gonna kill your ass dumb mother fucker!!" Here you've answered your own question and not just by the logic of another, "if I attempt to kill someone but fail because (fill in the blank)"

You're cuffed for *attemtped* murder yes

And I can assure you that nothing a prosecutor says in a press conference constitutes evidence. There may very well be evidence which will lead a jury to convict, but I wouldn't base my opinion of the relative strength of any case based on the prosecutor's press conference. I have never once had a U.S. Attorney bring a charge only to hold a press conference and say "Well to be honest this is a pretty weak case. We almost didn't even file it, but we are going to do the best we can just in case it turns out he really is guilty." Nope, they are all "overwhelming"; a "slam dunk", to borrow a phrase from George Tenet. Clearly if the governor is on tape soliciting bribes that should be fairly straight forward. However, if he is on tape talking to his own staff about what he would LIKE to get in return for the appointment, that seems far less clear.

you would know a lot more about this than I would. But you aren't saying that you know for a fact that Fitz doesn't have a good case; are you? If I understand correctly you are saying we simply don't know until the trial comes around. That would be my point, and I think some around here are far too eager to throw him under the bus at this point.

I think it's reasonable to consider that that right is less-so for Americans with their day-glow orange fingers stuffed into Cheeto's bags, sipping on Mountain Dew waiting in a line in a big gray Federal building somewhere...

When that Blago dude said he'd suspend dealings with BofA, I can easily see a scene unfolding within an ornate cherry wood conference room whereby an open line is established to an operative of the DOJ's office of jurisdiction, in earnest, and meant to seek IMMEDIATE REDRESS; circumventing all process: Cheeto's, Mountain Dew, the whole nine and Bam!

The deal went down the next day, it's not just Blago...it's what we see on the news right now. Not just any Illinois senate seat tainted and vacated, running round like a chicken with it's head cut off. PE Barack Obama's former senate seat 'a bleeping valuable thing' in clearly more ways than one.

Everyone keeps citing "The tapes!! The tapes!! Fitz-mas has THE TAPES!!!!! He didn't make Blago say those things he has THE TAPES!!!!" If the DOJ, any DOJ started taping all politicians and removing them for the bullshit they flick on tapes? There'd be 65-75% of American politicians tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.

"Fitz paid off" hm...let me count the ways

when he quoted all the BLEEPING passages? Hell! He should win "an Oscar" for I say, didn't Saint Fitz doth BLUSH? :evilgrin:

I can say - "I told you so!" But that provides me with little comfort. :(

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:wow: Yeah, real air tight? You've been punked by a republican hack lawyer most extra-ordinaire ... SMOOTH even.

Shared, mass hysteria; especially around here @ DU...I somehow never fell for it. This American world is too split, too partisan to believe for any length of time that a republican operative would ever be allowed to take down one of it's own. It would never happen. Not within a republican DOJ. Poppy Bush himself would see to it that it would never happen.

I'll believe it's somewhat more likely the day Michelle Malkin does something other than parrot her right-wing spew & talking points. And at that rate, I've got plenty of time for coffee and a donut

:donut:

Typical conservative, she can't distinguish between party loyalty on one hand and putting party before country on the other. 90% of Democrats still think Blagojevich is icky and won't come to his defense. I don't know of any Democratic leaders speaking out against Fitzgerald or crying partisan bias here. Malkin's projecting her own characteristic of blind party loyalty onto Dems.

Then Blago could have gone ahead and sold the Seat in secret, and we all would be blissfully ignorant until Fitz indicts, say, in the Spring.

Then the Senate could cleanly vote to dismiss whomever had been appointed by Blago, maybe they both go to jail, and a new governor appoints someone else.

Better scenario? I'm asking honestly.

Fitz hadn't stepped in. The seat would have gone to the highest bidder, then Fitz would have prosecuted and the end result would have been a tainted seat.

Why? Because he almost "blushed" when enuciating all the BLEEPS on the tape? :eyes:

What I said is that I bet that Blago's pick would be different if the indictment hadn't been issued. And Blago would have benefited from it in some way. To me, this is nothing against Burris. Its kind of like with Bush, I don't care what he proposes for the next 2 weeks, I wouldn't trust it just because it comes from him. It could be the best proposal ever, still wouldn't trust it. That is at the point the Senate seems to be at with Blago, and why they don't want to seat Burris.

n/t

Welcome to DU, exman :kick:

It's taking everyone's eyes (and interest) off of Blagoyevich.

That's one market-savvy Gov. in IL...

It's just mindboggling that Democrats are doing this to Democrats!

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