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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:45 AM Original message |
Women: Is it time to stop the Ms./Mrs. bullshit? |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. I am no longer a MIss or a Mrs, so what do you propose to call me? n/t |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. "Toots"? |
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lightningandsnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And what about the gays? |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. There are not very many of us |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. But they aren't |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
34. I prefer changing my name & having the same last name as my kids |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
86. I was married for fifteen years and never once used my husband's name |
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demnan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. That's why Ms. was invented |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Holy crap! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. DUH! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. But we don't say it that way. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
99. Mrs. is a contraction or abbreviation of "mistress"--Ms. is not a contraction of anything |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:33 PM Original message |
That would be pretty cheeky to go around to women you don't know, saying "hello, mistress!" |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. It was beaten into my thick skull back in about 1970 |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. There was nothing wrong with "Ma'am" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Of course, there is a lot wrong with "Ma'am" and .... |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. U R not from the South I take it? |
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liberalpress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
88. Points to you for Politeness Ma'am... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-12-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
121. No, it isn't. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
89. so you would address an envelope to Ma'am Michelle Obama, |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
79. I seem to remember that "Miz" was a Southern tradition if you did not know the marital status |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. It's a contraction of both "Miss" & "Mrs" nt |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. I wondered why you were complaining about Ms. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
55. Wow. That was an Emily Litella moment. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Really? |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
83. Really? You didn't know that? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
32. After spending some time in the south, I sort of like their approach |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Yeah, I really like that tradition |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. I still use it today |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. when I was teaching in a University in the South, that's how most addressed me |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
72. I'd rather just be addressed by my first name, personally |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. Think of Pres. Carter's mother who was universally referred to as |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
105. That's my view, too |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. I have a PhD, so sometimes is was Mr and other times Dr. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-13-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #107 |
126. Don't EVER be "Docror" on a plane |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
38. Seconded. |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. "Maude" covered a lot of issues |
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morillon (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
48. I agree. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
104. Not to mention presumptuous. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
80. I prefer "Ms." as well. |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. No, I quite like to be addressed as Mrs. E....s, Especially by those younger |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. Seems like a very minor issue to me. |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
8. You fucking consider yourself polite? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. A little drunk... |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Party on |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Is it a bloody mary if you use V8? |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-12-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
118. Yes. IMO it's the horseradish that defines the Bloody Mary. |
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dynasaw (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
12. Why is this bullshit? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yep, but as I figured out in the posts above: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. That, I just found out we get fringe benefits, not French benefits. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
18. Ms/Mrs "bullshit"? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. EXACTLY |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
19. oh please it;s not that fucking difficult, when you're told the name you just use it, as is already. |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. What's with the common sense here already? |
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vanderBeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
27. I like to be called Miss. |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
28. I found it a useful address recently in it's original intent. |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
67. Um, not really. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
29. i dont give the shit about mrs or ms or miss and if you made a mistake i wouldnt even think to |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
30. just say ma'am |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. The point is, a female's status as married or not married is no one's business . . .!! |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Well, if a male was to ask a female out on a date, then it becomes somebody's business... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. And, if the female wants to ask the guy out, how does she know if he's married . .. ??? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
74. Holy crap, I get called ma'am a lot. I had no idea I seem matronly and "aged". |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. "Ms" . . .if you know her last name . . . otherwise "Miss" . . . |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
87. I disgree with Ma'am being for older women |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. You would call a 20 year old "Ma'am" ...?? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. I would and I have as in your definition #1. |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-12-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
123. Yes, I've been called 'ma'am' in stores ever since I grew tits! |
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liberalpress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
91. A reminder of a post a bit upthread.. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. Agreed |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
93. the question isn't what to "say," it's how to address, say, a formal envelope |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-12-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #93 |
116. It could be Dr. Michelle Obama and Dr. Rachel Maddow. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
31. I love DU, but I drink a little. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Glad you cleared that up |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Let tha be a lesson to you... |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
36. I may be alone in this, but I don't like the whole idea ... |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Then I propose we nix all forms of written comunication |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
41. Ms was created to be equal with Mr. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Ah, but they are gender specific. I think the phrase is "separate but equal". |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
43. Just use Ms. and you will be polite. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
45. Call me Ms. or call me Mrs., I don't care. My pet peeve is |
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ShadesOfGrey (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Exactly how I feel about it. nt |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
95. I wonder if polygamous Mormons have likewise stopped "Mrs. John Jones". |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
47. I prefer Ms. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
49. Personally, I'd prefer if we all called each other "Citizen So & So" or some vaiant therof |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
50. I remember being asked one time "is it miss or mrs "and I replied |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
76. As well you should. |
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galaxy21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
56. I never really thought about it before |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
57. When I divorced my first husband, I didn't want his name any more |
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galaxy21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. A lot of divorced women keep their husband's name if they like it better |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. NO WAY would I keep that bastard's name! NO WAY! |
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southernyankeebelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
60. Married |
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Dulcinea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
65. It's a matter of personal choice. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
66. well, if we're going to worry about this.. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
68. You know what really steams my veggies? The fact that people address |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. One should be addressed according to one's preferences |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Anyone who insists on calling you Ms. as a widow needs to have an etiquette book slammed into them. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. that is so not true. How do I know someone's marital or widowed status? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. The situation referenced is one where the person DOES know the status. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
106. IF that's what she wants, of course. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. If you read Mrs. Grumpy's post, it's clear that the issue is that her preference is being ignored. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Yes. That's exactly my position, as well. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #68 |
92. "Ms." is a generic address that says nothing about your marital status (nt) |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Read my post again. nt |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
69. I see no reason for women to even consider taking their husband's name. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
97. It's a BIG mistake for a female .. I did it -- |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
70. That's why my name is the one I was born with, thanks |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
75. I dont mind the Ms. |
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Faux pas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
77. I always hated Ms. After I got divorced and my kids we old enough |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
81. "Ms." is so you don't have to differentiate between married/unmarried. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
82. I've always preferred "Ms." myself. n/t |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
101. At a fundraiser for Multiple Sclerosis the sign said "Help fight MS" |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
102. I'd never change my name, and I don't understand why women do this |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I discussed this with my wife before we got married and encouraged her to keep hers |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. ditto |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. My kids have my last name as a middle name, too |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-12-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. my sister does not |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-12-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Mine have survived quite well with 4 names - despite |
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Qanisqineq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
108. I'm married, kept my last name, and prefer Ms. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
109. I haven't enjoyed a thread by you so much since you said that promiscuity of gays is "undeniable" |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
114. What a woman wants to use as a prefix to her name is her buisness |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
115. Never check the little preference box...n/t |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-12-09 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
117. The County Clerk committed a misdemeanor upon me one time. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-13-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #117 |
125. With my first child |
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122. I had a choice in whether or not I wanted my husband's name... |
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124. The Mrs./Miss thing is very old-fashioned |
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