A Bill to Kill All the Pit Bulls in Montana

Montana state Rep. Robyn Driscoll, a Democrat who represents the 51st District, has introduced a bizarre bill calling for the elimination of all "pit bulls" from the state. If the bill, H.B. 191, becomes law, owners must surrender their pit bull dogs which must then be euthanized within 10 days.

Those who don't give up their dogs to be killed? Well, any peace officer is authorized to obtain a search warrant and come and get the dog.

The cost of paying animal control and other law enforcement officers throughout the state to round up family pets and kill them will be substantial. A task force found that a pit bull ban in Prince George's County, Maryland, just one county, cost $560,000 in one year.
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The National Canine Research Council reports that between 1965 and 2008, there were 3 fatalities in Montana from dog bites. Yes, 3 in 43 years. In 2005 alone, just one year in Montana, 1,400 people died from smoking and 251 in traffic accidents. (Maybe Driscoll should work to protect Montanans from smoking and second hand cigarette smoke or negligent or drunk drivers; that would at least be something useful.)

http://www.animallawcoalition.com/breed-bans/article/650

Don't know what set her off...........

Every single pit bull I've ever met was just a dopey, happy, loving thing because they were raised by loving people.

More people are bitten by Cocker Spaniels.

The sheep rancher who Haruka and Mick take herding lessons from has a problem with a pack of pet dogs who have attacked, ravaged, and tortured his sheep over the last year or so. I've seen the pack-- not a mastiff or pit type among them. Lots of good family breeds, though.

Look at the success of Vick's dogs being adopted.

Victoria Stilwell, of "It's Me or the Dog," its trying to get "Deed Not Breed" adopted in teh UK.

And let Haruka run free for a while.

Sorry, I jest. Although I have little doubt she could put that pack in their place.

It's just fantastic that Mick gets a chance to be what he is (Border Collie, I take it?). It's just amazing watching how naturally they take to herding. My dogs are German Shepherds. Don't have one now, but I've trained them, and Dobermans, for years. They aren't the naturals that BCs are, but they still love herding. Smart as the dickens though... had one learn to untie knots with her teeth.

Bad pet parents are where bad pets come from. It's just heart wrenching to think that loving families could lose their pets soley because they're the 'wrong breed'. In my experience, the dogs that get the most attention and exercise have the best temperment, followed by size, neutered status, then breed.

As for the roaming gangs of yuppy puppies, here's a thought;

Our pup also a BC and is six months, and she "observes" lessons, except for a few minutes on the sheep each lesson. It's so amazing to watch them suddenly "turn on." They are constantly trying to herd each other at home, or the cat, and having "The Eye" staredowns that look like something out of High Noon and last for 15 minutes. Mick trembles from head to toe when he gets to the farm, he's so excited. If land wasn't so expensive here, we'd nuy a few acres and rent some sheep (for real) so the dogs could herd every day.

They are so smart -- too smart. Theyknow how to get into trash cans and cabinets and everything else.

Haruka grew up with GSDs.

Our trainer doesn't mind losing a sheep occasionally to coyotes, because they kill to eat and they eat EVERYTHING -- I've see the carcasses.The pet pack one time attacked sixty of his sheep, and 30 weren't quite killed -- they were just savaged, and were out there in horrible pain all night until he found them in the morning and shot them. The Guardian Dogs can't fight off 15 other dogs.

It's amazing to watch her do "the stare" on the other two. The elderdog is half cattledog and totally immune ("Don't even go there, youngun" she seems to say). The younger one, mostly maremma, sometimes does The Stare back before they tear around the yard.

The middle one has taken to "herding" the neighbors' guinea hens back to their yard. I haven't been able to convince her that guineas don't want to be herded and are likely to resent it. It's funny as hell though, since Ashley has hit the electric fence whilst doing this before, so now she thinks the guineas are electric, too, so she rounds them up from a safe distance, bunches them up together dodging this way and that, and shoos them across the road.

I've never trained her for herding -- I was hoping she might want to do service work. It's amazing to see those old genes surface and kick in, though. She's a natural. There are plenty of sheep farms around and there is a fellow in the north end of the county who does train dogs for herding. I do wonder if she might like to go to school for fun.

I would defend my dog with my life. The state has no right to tell us to kill our friends.

new one, Junior, are awesome dogs. i would give a lot to have the pair of them. THis guy is a hysteric.

support this piece of crap?! Ok I can maybe see banning new ownership (even though I don't agree with that)but taking away peoples harmless pets and PUTTING THEM TO DEATH? thats so wrong....
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dumb twits like this aren't achieving anything. Pit bull bans just makes them even MORE desirable for those who would seek to raise them to be aggressive and/or use them for fighting. They gain a certain bad-ass prestige. And beyond that, the breeding lines aren't recorded as well or at all, leading to MORE inbreeding which can also result in mentally unstable animals. Sigh. In an ideal world, NOBODY would want purebred dogs but until then, outlawing them and driving breeding underground is just about the worst fate for them.

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:scared:

:rofl:

no true Democrat would be that ignorant and hateful.

You cannot claim a right that you do not yeild to others.

I've known lots of nice pit bulls.

e.

Pit Bulls don't have any choice in who what their behavior is.

Some of the sweetest pups I've known have been Pits. Their problem lies in the fact that they are extremely eager to please their masters. :grr:

Or a mastiff, or a standard poodle, or...

Horrible idea.

:eyes:

This reminds me of the NJ State Rep who wanted to ban smoking in cars. It never flew.

And neither will this.

I don't like pit bulls, but this is just bullshit. Can't believe she even did this. I expect it to fail miserably.

i get asked ALL THE TIME if they are pits.
stupid, stupid law. lots of pits are sweet, and some golden retrievers bite people. it is not really that hard to tell a vicious dog from a cream puff. i guess this lawmaker is to stupid, tho.

How many boxers, rottweilers, and mastiffs will be 'accidentally' put down?

I am glad someone else is posting this on OMG PITBULL!!!! threads. Thank you.

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but I bet she's looking for attention

FUCK HER!


peace~

Also go to the HSUS and ASPCA websites to join up with their letter writing campaign. Damn shame.

I was trying to find the HSUS and ASPCA links mentioned in the post I'm replying to, that the link I did have posted was all that I could Google.

I searched but could not find anything. Or do you mean letter writing campaigns on pit bulls in general?

http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/state_legislation/state-legislation-list.html?state=montana

Second entry down.

there will be be a movement for the right to keep and bear pit bulls.

I don't know much about dogs but don't the owners have more to do with the dog's behavior than anything else? They're big and strong and probably territorial, but don't they have to be trained to be vicious?

Sounds like some rich campaign contributor got bit by a pit bull.

and did my best to remain polite. I asked her when we decided to become more like China in our treatment of citizens and exactly how she intended to identify pit pulls. And asked if this was just a 1st step before slaughtering any` other breed she deemed undesirable.

I explained that breeds aren't the problem, people are.

I also mentioned the statistics and suggested she watch the PBS Dog Town that showed how Best Friends completely rehabilited the poor dogs that Michael Vicks tortured. And suggested a better use of time/money would be enforcing spay/neuter and leash laws.

I also told her she made me ashamed to be a Democrat and was renewing my fear of Government.

subculture that uses pit bulls as weapons is terrible and needs to be eliminated, but most pit bulls are just loyal, loving family pets.

they had no speed limit for ten years or so, medical marijuana, you can carry guns all over the place on your hip, police roadblocks are unconstitutional. They do have a smoking ban in public places but that was pitched as a workers rights thing. I cannot see the people of Montana supporting killing dogs. There is a lot of frontier in Montana, especially up in the mountains. I bet most people bit by pit bulls were trespassing anyways.

Killing people's pets is not going to make her popular.

logically. It's a gut/emotional reaction. Of course people and especially children are vulnerable to out of control animals. People who have these animals should be fined, jailed, whatever it takes. The offending dogs should be controlled too.

But what about the chihuahua who bit my pit bull last year or the neighbor's cocker who attacks her? SHe NEVER retaliates yet she would be the one put down.

My wife's Dachshund is just the sweetest neediest little noisemaker. Every once in a while, he'll manage to bolt out the front door. Sometimes he gets to the end of the driveway and starts barking at the people walking by. In nearly every single case, the people look down, say 'Oh Hello there little guy!' and reach down and give him a scritch while he's trying to sniff their knees.

Once, he went after a lady mail carrier who reacted exactly wrong.

She panicked, and went into a half crouch trying to 'fend him off' with a handful of mail.

He went nuts barking at her and backing her up until, laughing, I finally picked him up. She was not amused. She was also not interested in hearing about what she did that made him act like that, instead insisting that it was the dog.

Why?

Because, as she said, she'd been bitten by one before. Anyone care to guess why?

I've never done anything that made a dog want to attack me, and I don't see why that's so hard for people to grasp: you're the human, you're in charge, dogs know that.

I also don't get stung by bees, because I don't go into hysterics and start swatting at them when they buzz around.

of course she's a mix (pit & beagle) but looks like a pit mainly.

We call her Kaloni "the love bee". A lover, not a fighter.
We will be writing and fighting this and sending the link to all our friends.

i can just see you getting smothered by licks, beaten black and blue by that waggy tail, and suffocated when that lovable lug tries to fall asleep on your chest while you're stretched out on the sofa. Bad dog! :D

either that or she wants to play tug o' war/fetch for hours at a time. :D

I want a dog so bad! Will you scritch her on the head for me? :-)

she needs a kiss

than 'pitbulls'.


Ever get bit by a horse? Ow.

it would be more useful that owners of Pitbulls would have to have a dog training certificate aswell as a dog license?

a better solution? I was appalled when visiting there that they killed any bear that had any interaction with people, even if all the bear did was raid a garbage can. In Washington state, the Rangers put up bear proof garbage containers in the camp grounds and rural areas. End of problem.

or something like that,

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Reeks of being unconstitutional at best.

In Florida we're lucky on this one. State Statute disallows breed bans (except for the pre-enacted Miami-Dade County ban).

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I can't believe she is one.

I would have expected this from some right-wing nut case, but from a Democrat?

What a travesty.

Has a few Pit Bulls and they look like very nice dogs even though they used to be fighting dogs. So anybody who thinks Pit Bulls are some monster dog simply are ignorant about dogs.

What happened to Vick's Pits

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/index.html

I remained silent;
I was not a Pitt Bull.

When they locked up the Dobermans,
I remained silent;
I was not a Doberman.

When they came for the Border Collies,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Border Collie.

When they came for the Jack Russells,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jack Russell.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak, or rollover, or play dead... even for a treat.

I have that actual poem as my tag in gmail....thanks for the wonderful satire! I needed a laugh after this awful thing!

fugliest dogs in the world

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C'mon... they're all adorable.

Poor girl didn't stand a chance.

In Oregon for example, there's been a spate of serious incidents over the past several months involving pit bulls- many of which have led to serious life altering- injuries, both in children and adults.

The British had enough of this more than a decade ago. Australian states like New South Wales and Victoria also had enough in the early oo's and addressed the problem through similar legislation.

Please do explain the details relevant to the 'spate of serious incidents'.

I'd be willing to bet that in most cases, the owners were negligent.

After a little research, I've found that Pitt Bulls aren't the biggest problem, yet you seem pretty gung-ho to see them 'dealt with' Herr Depakid.

Wanna talk about it?

After this was written- you'll find this:

Molalla dogs accused in Christmas Day attack quarantined

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/two_pitbulls_suspected_in_chri.html

and this:

Salem officer shoots an attacking pit bull
Thursday January 01, 2009

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/salem_officer_shoots_an_attack.html

Omly a person in serious denial refuses to accept that there's a public safety problem here... one that's only going to get worse if left on its own.

The question then becomes- what to do about it.

I'll spell it out for you because you seem to have missed it; It's not the BREED of the dog, it's what PEOPLE do with the breed.

Those attacks were the fault of breeders and owners, not of the breed.

Some breeds of dogs have aggressive tendencies as they were bred for purposes that required aggressiveness. Pretending this is not the case does not change the realities. Dogs can also have those aggressive tendencies fostered by other dogs. Sometimes it's NOT the owner's fault. Some dogs are just bad and will pose a threat to people (and especially children) unless an owner makes a serious effort to train those tendencies out of the dog which requires a least some knowledge of behavior modification. So one way to look at that is to blame the owner for ignorance or simply neglect, but that is a pretty one sided view. The same owner given a breed of dog without aggressive tendencies is much less likely to have a problem. That's not to say an owner can't take a dog that has a predisposition for aggressiveness (or even one that isn't) and make an extremely aggressive dog, because most certainly that happens also.

Here's a clue; "Some breeds of dogs have aggressive tendencies as they were bred for purposes..."

Yes, but the fault ultimately lies with whom?

Pit Bull Terriers were bred for dogfighting over 150 years ago, so I guess we could blame some of those guys, or we could go even farther back and blame the knuckledragging cave men who first domesticated the gray wolf.

So looking at things from that perspective, you are right. It is ultimately the exclusive fault of humans.

Now there is an ignorant statement if *ever* I've seen one. What do you think? "The Bad Seed?" "Bad" dna?

Pit bulls are NOT born "bad." They are turned bad.

And as Best Friends has *proven* -- unlike many humans -- they *can* be rehabilitated because BAD is NOT in their GENES. It IS in how they are cared for. The fact that these poor dogs, after years of torturous abuse, remained kind at heart is a testament to their *good* characters, despite the fact that they're evil "pit bulls."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/index.html

Individual dogs of *any* breed may be more or less sensitive and prone to going after small prey. Those are individual cases and those dogs need to be owned and handled by people who understand their predisposition. For example, my neighbor across the street has a pair of tiny terrors. I don't know what breed they are -- maybe jacks, but I think too small. The used to get loose all the time and one of them constantly tried to bite me. He couldn't quite reach my hands, no matter how hard he tried. My neighbor finally got the message and fixed his fence. They don't get loose any more. He certainly would be a threat to children and babies. But nobody would ever mistake him for a pit bull.

The same can be true of *any* individual of *any* breed.

As far as the media reports goes, there is a tendency for people to call any dog behaving aggressively a pit bull. That doesn't mean it is a pit bull or has even a drop of pit in it.

I've had 2 ignorant fools pronounce my lab/chow/heinz57 a pit. One based on his "iridescent coat" :wtf: The other because of his broad chest, which could be pit...or bulldog or boxer or any of a number of breeds. The only thing I'm sure of is his spotted tongue and curled tail are likely chow, and his head and heart are 100% lab.

So is my incredibly kind and gentle dog who has never bitten or threatened to bite anybody, wo walks away from dog fights, who's biggest threat is licking your face off and beating you black and blue with his wagging tail -- to be confiscated and killed because of some ignorant fool with breed-prejudice? Over my dead body.

Some breeds are more aggressive by nature, especially pit bulls and it should come as no surprise that some within the breed will be more aggressive than others. Dogs are instinctively territorial and most of them don't distinguish between dogs or humans. They also instinctively live by a dominance hierarchy, which means they will attempt to establish dominance over some adults and especially children and no they don't need to be trained these behaviors or suffer abuse. This is all basic stuff. Now perhaps you think this is "ignorance". Good luck in your quest to convince anyone north of a room temperature IQ of that.

So you can pretend that dogs need to be "taught" to be aggressive, and you can keep pretending that pit bulls are no more dangerous than any other dog, but reality tells a much different story. The facts are that pit bulls kill more people than any other breed. Now that fact doesn't necessarily tell me that pit bulls are more aggressive or more prone to bite than other breeds, but it does suggest that they do have an aggressive nature coupled with the tenacity and strength to kill people. Sticking your head in the sand and falsely accusing others of ignorance does not change the facts no matter how much you wish it would.

if Cocker Spaniels were 100 lb dogs?!?

You've stated your position rationally and logically. There is very much merit to your POV. But understanding that even though Pitt Bulls have attacked humans more than other breeds, they are still 99.99% unlikely to do so.

A ban is over the top.

I don't even think it would be accurate to say pit bulls have attacked humans more than other breeds because I've never seen any study to suggest that. However available data does indicate that pit bulls do kill humans more than other breeds. It seems prudent to understand why and to take reasonable action to prevent future problems. It doesn't really matter if 99.99%(or whatever the real number is) are "unlikely to do so". I'm sure guns have a similar, if not better, record. That doesn't mean we should not regulate the access to guns.

Right?

Don't assume I agree with the OP- or that the public policies in Britain and Australian states are perfectly appropraite for America.

That said- there's much to be learned from their approaches.

It's one of those emotionally-charged, specific-meaning-free terms like "assault weapon" that only serves to convince Republicans we're a bunch of latte-sipping cretins who can't be bothered to learn the subjects we're legislating.

Try calling it an "American Staffordshire Terrier ban" and see how far it goes.

can *not* correctly identify the breed in a lineup. How are they going to prove breed where registration papers don't exist? DNA testing? Yeah, good luck with that. I have yet to see a Pit Bull DNA test come back that wasn't a jumble of God-knows-what. It's actually quite comical...our Pit-Rottie X came back as Rott, Bichon(!), and a couple other weird hits. That would be enough, IMHO, to get any case involving this law tossed out of court.

Animal control personnel are often the worst at identifying breeds. A shiny badge doth not one an expert make, after all...

Breed-specific legislation is discriminatory and ultimately ineffective, not to mention costly to enforce. It's un-American and unscientific.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

Please, please, please tell me that even you agree that this is some reactionary, authoritarian bullshit.

while staying on someone's property in the country we were adopted by a neighbor's pitbull. He was the sweetest thing and had a smile so big he could swallow his ears. He got along very well with our dog and was a loveable animal.

The same neighbors had a veritable fleet of about a dozen mini dachshunds who were nasty little things that would attack one en masse and strip the meat from your carcass like pirhana if they could've gotten away with it. You had to kick your way thru them to get down the road to the mailbox, etc.

We always thought it ironic and sad that the dachshunds were the house doggies and this big lovable oaf that we called 'Morehead' (because he had more head than anything else) was forced to live outside and be the 'guard dog'.

It broke my heart when we had to leave, he wouldn't leave us and wanted to go with...

My parents live in Great Falls and a local ordinance was proposed which would limit the number of household pets a person could have to two cats and two dogs, with registration required. (No mixing and matching, either, so if you have three cats and a dog you're breaking the law.) If you had more than your allowed number local vets could report you unless you got a multiple animal permit. I'm not sure what became of it; the most recent information I could find is about a year old.

This woman sounds like a fearmongering nut--there are plenty of responsible owners out there who would be crushed to have their dogs taken away just because she doesn't like pit bulls. I've been bitten twice in my life, the first time by a German Shepherd and once by a miniature poodle, and even I'm not in favor of banning any breed of dog. (I still have a scar on the back of my left arm from one of the GSD's canines, too.)

I'm sure legislation to kill off any bears or wolves will be coming soon.

Oh and cars, gotta get rid of the cars too. Those things kill.

humans and that doesn't mean that they attack but that they might be strolling alongside the road when you drive by or raiding garbage.

We all know they are rapacious killing machines who will turn on our children as soon as they have a chance.
Wont someone think of the children?

<OK, sarcasm off. That's disgusting>

have more enlightened attitudes towards bears and humans co-existing. I have stood under a tree that a bear was happily munching apples on and I didn't even realize it until someone pointed it out to me. Bear ignored me and I walked away and observed said bear from a safer place, who eventually came down from the tree and lumbered away even though he had to cross a road that he might confront a human on. Locals told me stories of bears getting into their food stores and refrigerators and they shooed the bear away. No one was mauled. We know wild animals are dangerous even small ones, but sometimes you can cohabit with them without having to kill them out of fear.

I've been watching too much Colbert.
I agree with you. It is possible to co-exist with nature, you just have to not be stupid about it. You must know the dangers and understand the animal be it bear, mountain lion or venomous snake.

I saw a bear in the wild once. It was in the Sierra Mountain foothills of CA. I was alone and at least 3 or 4 miles from another human. It was terrifying even though I was about 50 yards away and downwind. Really it probably never knew I was there but the soft, meaty, bear feeding, monkey part of my brain was screaming and jumping all around. I sat quietly until it left the area then walked briskly back to my friends. I'll never forget it.

It's somewhat the same with the pit bulls. It's just people reacting from fear. The person proposing this legislation is either someone with no experience of dogs or a grandstanding idiot.

we'll go down with what we destroy.

Yep.

My dad was born and raised in Montana and finally retired there two years ago after 30+ years away. He's encountered a couple of bears in his time, including being chased by one when he was younger. (He escaped by running and diving under a car, belly-crawling across, and coming up running once he got to the other side. The only damage was to the knees of his jeans and the car door where the bear hit it head-on.)

He also went on a float trip down the Smith River this past summer and talked to a ranger the morning after the ranger was awakened in the early morning hours by a bear licking his hand--the ranger was understandably freaked out by it, but he knows that encounters with wildlife are part of the job.

I wonder sometimes whether most of the people in Montana pushing for the eradication of wolves and bears are mostly transplants from out-of-state. I have cousins, aunts, and uncles who've lived there their whole lives who think those ideas are crazy and wrong.

panhandle and found the locals to be very savvy about the wilderness they lived in, yet in order to have jobs they had to look the other way while lumber and mining companies destroyed their habitat, which is habitat for the wild animals that live in it as well.

wolf slaughters. They won't tolerate any chance of anything cutting into their profits; so they take grazing land away from indigenous wildlife and expect us to pay for killing predators and bison. The entire ecosystem is being eroded and for what? A big mac?

just a point.

There are PLENTY of communities in the US that ban some breeds, limit number of animals. Plenty of neighborhoods within cities have CC&Rs governing not only the number of pets one can have, but the size also.

Not MONTANA so much as local communities, be they counties, cities, neighborhoods within cities.

There was a great judge in Helena who used to sentence people to be shut up for a few hours in a car if they left their pets to that fate. That was a good LOCAL response to a problem I have seen all over the nation.

Also, don't look for the bill to go far. The state legislature here is pretty careful about what they pass. They can't hide when they do stupid things. We don't have enough people for them to disappear into ;)

Great Falls is pretty small (a little over 58,000 people), so I shouldn't have implied their local ordinances represent the views of everyone who lives in MT. :)

I like the thinking of that judge in Helena, btw. :thumbsup:

One too many child maulings?

A better idea would be to place major restrictions on the breed- including muzzling, mandatory insurance and spay/neutering.

Spaying, muzzling, republicans would definitely reduce child maulings.

Monstrous! Come to people's houses and *take them*? Tear them from their owners arms? WTF?


Pits, when they are properly raised and nurtured, will walk through fire for their people. Smart and loyal and good.


So much dog hate...I can kind of understand with pits, the bad wrap, but this comes across to all big dogs. My sister has Great Danes, and gets sometimes the same ignorant fear. And if there is a bigger teddy bear than a Gr Dane, well, ok a Newfoundland, but still...


This can't possibly pass. Not in my country.

They've been inbred over the years like so many other breeds... ruined for the sake of 'color' or 'poise', or some other bullshit.

With luck, much of the inbreeding can be bred out.

Meanwhile, there's no doubt... Great Danes are dopey critters... right up there with Rottweilers, Mastiffs, and Labs. The most damage they do is to your wardrobe by slobbering all over it.

So it's not just a wardrobe problem.

<sigh> ok they're a little dopey. But they are entirely good.

I know, I hate the breeding that sacrifices the breed. Chocolate Labs...ai ya!

http://www.denverkillsdogs.com/

It's absolutely shameful and hideous. One begins to suspect that their "humane" officers sport brown shirts with red armbands.

Read it and weep. Oh, and boycott Denver. Such Gestapoid monkey business does not deserve anyone's financial support.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

:cry:

:wtf:

Does she not want to be re-elected? You can't propose taking pets away and killing them and expect to keep your seat for much longer.

We had this come around in Philadelphia about 20 years ago - a bill to "ban pit bulls." It went nowhere thanks mostly to citizen action groups like the PA Dog Fanciers Association. "Pit bull" isn't a breed, it's a type. Bull "types" include a LOT - Bulldogs, Boxers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Terriers, little Boston Terriers. And what about crossbreeds? Or dogs that just "look" like "pit bulls" (deep chest, broad head, medium stocky build, short hair - well, that could be a Labrador Retriever!) It was just ridiculous.

In England Staffordshire Bull Terriers are known as "the children's nursemaid" for their gentle and loyal ways. Conscientious breeders have bred all the viciousness out and left in the stamina and brains and heart. The same for American Staffordshire Terriers, Bull Terriers, Mastiffs and Bullmastiffs - they are bred today by good breeders to be companions, not fighters.

Any breed - or non-breed - can be made vicious. Any dog can be made to fight. Rather than ban pit bulls, ban dogfighting, and heap heavy animal cruelty fines on anyone who raises and trains dogs to fight.

It's the PIT that needs to be banned, NOT the bull.

:crazy:

Pit bulls aren't my favorite breed of dog, but far be it from me to tell someone to turn their dog over to be killed because of that. Fortunately, this won't get far.

He's a mutt, but mostly blackmouth cur. We adopted him out to an owner who loves him and takes great care of him. These people are completely absurd.

as a vet student (and previous vet tech for 7 years), i find that appalling. the only time we ever would put down a pit pup is if it was really sick (like with parvo) and the owner couldn't afford any treatment.

arrest the owners of aggressive pit bulls and rehabilitate them, don't round up the dogs and kill them like a bunch of f*cking Nazis. The last dog that tried to attack me was a yellow lab. My friend's pit bulls have always been very well behaved.

all the pit bulls I have ever known have been lovable and sweet

I hope this "Democrat" is run out of office forever.

They'll end up as bad as any other authoritarian assholes.

I hope they mock her as the evil bitch that doubled as the Wicked Witch of The West. She's also stupid, you'd be wisest to take my guns before you come for my family and my pets are family.

Nothing beat supplying the enemy with ammunition.

Contact Driscoll here:

Home Address
404 HOULE DR
BILLINGS, MT 59102-4861
Home: (406)534-4874
rdriscoll@peoplepc.com

And kick.