Karl Rove will have a major legacy: the creation of a permanent minority party.

"When history is written, I predict Karl Rove will have a major legacy: the creation of a permanent minority party."

Andrew Sullivan, today, in reference to the Pew Study that just came out about the country trending progressive and democratic.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/03/the_end_of_the_.html

But we're going to need a people-friendly gov't for a long time, both to clean up the mess, and to deal with the horrors of global warming.

see Mr. Rove's career as anything but a failure at this point. He has leaped from short-term success to short-term success, but in his strategy of never allowing a setback or admitting a failure, he has ironically betrayed the all-eyes-on-the-long-term philosophy he has espoused.

Rove is a succesful political strategist, like his predecessor Atwater was. Sadly, those are two evil individuals that use(d) their talents to advance the wrong causes.

:)

The reason the pendulum swings (as stated in an earlier post) is because when total power is ceded to politicians of any party -- the specter of total corruption is inevitable (absolute power corrupting absolutely).

Pride (arrogance) goes before the fall. Be careful not to fall into the pit of your adversary -- you'll come out no better.

...not what Larry Sabato is saying. His latest newsletter says demographic shifts due in 2010 and 2020 almost ensure that the House will not stay with one party, but instead be very fluid and likely to shift back and forth as the years go on.

From a purely demographic point of view, the future belongs to the Sunbelt...which is inherently more conservative although not necessarily more Republican.

He's sometimes a little dry but this month's post is a keeper. Read it.

strongly contradicts Mr. Sabato- someone who has been known to be wrong with his crystal ball on more than one occasion.

...but I sure don't see places like Dallas and Atlanta turning left. There are too many entrenched interests there already, and you're dealing with a group of people who don't decide who they're gonna vote for until they've talked to their church.

I lived there for eight years, during the Nineties. The South IS a distinct culture. Don't let anyone tell you different.

I have never heard a Republic say a bad thing about him. He's their Frankenstein.

Back in the 60s when they killed major liberals who gave us hope.
So we had war mongering democrats like Lyndon Johnson.
Then we had Nixon and Watergate. Ford pardoned Nixon and the right wingers got a free pass to do anything illegal they wanted to. The only respite we have had is Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

Now, over forty years after they stopped 60s liberalism from taking over the government, the pressure has built up to the point that we might have a real revolution starting, if the Democrats in Congress don't respond.
And the Republicans will be a dead party indeed. They destroyed the middle class, busted unions, and increased their imperialism, ending up in pre-emptive war in Iraq based on lies.

They did it to themselves, because they wanted ALL the marbles.



"If the Republicans will stop lying about us, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson

They are already powerless for the most part. Its the mega-corporation super rich "conservatives" who could give a fuck about family values and whatnot that are and will remain powerful. This group is beyond "culture", they sleep with whomever they want, smoke what they want, sort what they want, kill who they want, buy laws that they want, start wars that they want. This is the new and future base of the Republican party.

And now look where we are, and have been.

It was all a big money scam to them.

They made a Lot of money for a Lot of cronies. And their pals will pay them many times over after this "scam" is over.

I doubt they set out to destroy the GOP. I think the goal was more like putting it on a leash for their use and amusement while they plundered the whole damn world.

that Bush has made. We can elect reps and senators, but when challenged by a generation's worth of 'strict constructionists' who have the final word...well, it's going to be a tough go for a generation or two.

At this point, I'd LOVE to see a well-publicized "The President's Man" forum that really exposes Rove to the ultimate sunshine. Get together people who have worked with him in the the past, know from personal experience and first-hand working knowledge the evil tricks/tactics of Karl Rove's win at all costs mentality. Have one panel that exposes the experiences, their impact personally and for the country. Another panel that discusses the implications with regard to our system of government. And finally, a panel discussing some possible solutions/actions (legal and otherwise) that must be taken to immunize the nation from the poison that is Karl Rove.

Rove didn't heed Atwater's plea. He apparently either did not care, or is truly evil and has no conscience. So far, it looks like it's no conscience.

Like Milgram's 37,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

just doing what they're told w/o thinking, the GOP has dug itself a crater that it can't easily climb out of.

They foisted Bush on us because he was 'electable' in their eyes. Now it's readily apparent to all with eyes to see and ears to hear that what we ended up with is incompetence and incomprehensible cyphers as 'policy'.

Go figure. Cleaning up after the wreckage of Bush & Co. will take us decades and will create lasting memories passed down from generation to generation.

of the Republican. The man is closer to the Nationalist Partei.

As much as I don't like the policies of the Republicans, I don't think any previous Republic administration has demonstrated such total disregard for the country as has this gang of thugs.

Even die-hard Republicans are seeing the monster they have spawned.

and another Conservative party will rise in its place and will even take power hopefully a generation from now

Worst case...

The GOP will be out of power for a generation

Anybody who beleives that Conservatives are done for, needs to read US History

As to Rove... yep his legacy will not be nice, but the movement is already reorganzing and planning

I've been reading Frank Rich's The Greatest Story Ever Sold, which studies how the Bush administration created its own reality, completely distinct from the objective world, and sold it to a largely passive and unquestioning American public from 9/11 to the summer of Katrina, when the disconnect between Bushworld and the real world became too great to swallow.

What allowed the Bushies to perpetrate this hoax for almost four years? Two factors: obviously, the fear generated by 9/11. But, also, the unreasoning, lazy, sensationalism-craving mentality of the American people. Given an electorate that was unable or unwilling to think for itself, or to consider the complexites of real-life situations, it was a simple matter to, first, scare them out of their wits, then present yourselves as the only ones strong enough to save them. Eventually, the illusion of security may run out, but that could take many years. (In fact, we may be lucky that the Bushies were incompetent enough to let everything fall apart so quickly -- imagine if, say, they'd sent enough troops to Iraq in the first place to really secure the country, and with a workable reconstruction plan that gave us puppet control over the oil and permanent military bases, but still promoted a political solution that staved off civil war. People would probably, even now, be lamenting that Our Glorious War President could only serve two terms, and would hoping that Jeb was "strong enough" to replace him in 2008.)

In short, the conditions that allowed for the rise of Bush's (temporary) dominance are still in place. In particular, and despite our rose-tinted view that the electorate "woke up" in 2006 rather than simply getting emotionally disgusted and voting for whatever alternative was out there, I see no reason not to think that the American public remains deeply incurious and resistant to seriously reasoning about political matters, more ready to involve themselves with the next round of "Dancing with the Stars" than with staving off global warming, and all-too ready to elect the leader of the free world based on who they would rather share a few rounds with at the local bar. The passivity (and potential servility) is still there; all that's lacking is another crisis to stir up the fear and send Americans running to Big Daddy President to protect them from the bogyman of the moment. And such a cause for fear will eventually come; indeed, it may come at any minute. Imagine, for a moment, that tomorrow dawns with the detonation of nuclear weapons smuggled in on container ships at Miami and San Francisco. Can you possibly doubt that, by tomorrow evening, a majority of the American people would be crying for Daddy George to protect us again, embracing any further surrender of civil liberties in exchange for a sense of security, jumping at the bit to go to war against whoever the administration claimed was responsible, and probably calling for an immediate repeal to the term-limits amendment to prevent Daddy from having to leave in 2008 -- or, failing that, to find a way around the Constitution and make him President For Life? Because, sadly, I don't.

they are not.

Imagine the nation's surprise as they realize that they're *gasp* one of THOSE kinds, as they realize how they've been purposefully lied to for nefarious reasons.

He is one of the most brilliant sociopaths this country
has ever seen. Very dangerous and evil, but brilliant.

(The Pew Report) is a devastating indictment of the Bush-Rove strategy for conservatism and the Republican party. They may have created the most loyally Democratic generation since the New Deal with the under 25s. But check the other findings out.

Party identification is now 50 percent Dem and 35 percent GOP.

The country is now divided in two over the question of whether military strength is the key to ensuring peace; in 2002 62 percent were hawks and 34 percent were doves.

Religious intensity is falling; acceptance of gay people is rising.

The younger generation is the most secular of any.

Support for the military has never been stronger - people don't blame the troops for the war.

The country is divided down the middle on torture, but still in favor of preemptive war in some circumstances.

...women's equality and freedom are values now overwhelmingly popular among all groups, including Republicans, and strongest among the young.

Since Bush has been president, there has been a sharp decline in the number of Americans favoring "old fashioned values about family and marriage."

In the last ten years, opposition to gay marriage has dropped ten points and support has risen ten points.

There has also been a striking twelve point increase in support for affirmative action over the past decade - all of it among whites.

It turns out that Karl Rove has gone a long way toward securing a permanent majority in American politics ... for liberals and Democrats.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/03/karl_roves_perm.html