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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 09:59 AM
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The racist right indulges its assassination fantasies
We're already aware that the white-supremacist crowd is already creating a higher level of security concerns surrounding Barack Obama's inauguration.

So somehow it probably figures that Sean Hannity's old pal Hal Turner would be out there leading the parade of nutcases making threats around the events.

According to Mark Potok at the SPLC, Turner has gone public this week with his threats:

On Friday, neo-Nazi threatmeister Hal Turner, amplifying on an earlier posting suggesting that it would be a good thing to use an unmanned drone carrying explosives to attack the crowds, said a mass murder of those attending the festivities “would be a public service.” “I won’t say what may happen Tuesday but I will say this,” Turner wrote on his blog. “After Tuesday, the name Hal Turner may live in infamy. Let it be known that I saw what was necessary and decided to do what had to be done. I make no apology to those affected or their families.”

Earlier, on Jan. 11, Turner had posted photos to his blog, under the headline “My Inauguration Dream,” of a small, unmanned drone, an electronic guidance system and sticks of dynamite as he laid out one method of attack. He also discussed the possibility of sending up balloons filled with helium and a “payload” and fitted with fuses that would explode the balloons over the crowds. And he displayed a grainy video that purported to show that method being tested. “Too far fetched?” Turner asks of a possible balloon attack. “It got tested and it worked! … Watch the video and imagine what payload, other than the index cards taped to the outside of the test balloons, might be substituted? HMMMMMM. Might be something messy? Something contagious? Something deadly? Ahhhh, such possibilities!” Then, last Thursday, he posted an update, saying: “All the assets that need to be in-place for next week are now in-place; deep within the security perimeter. Everything is a ‘go.’ We have crossed the Rubicon; let history judge us well.”


Well, fortunately, Turner is not someone to take seriously, any more than gay-basher Fred Phelps. He's made numerous threats in the past, and all have been just so much gasbaggery. Moreover, he has a nonexistent following, especially after it was revealed he had been doing federal-informant work, which pretty much destroys your cred in white-power circles.

Mind you, part of Turner's schtick is planting a seed of doubt in the back of people's minds. That's what he is doing when he says he hopes more to target the crowds than Obama himself.

Mind you, if you happen to see Turner this week in D.C., you'll want to steer clear. Not because he really poses a threat, but just because he's Hal Turner.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/racist-right-indulges-its-assassinat
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:10 AM
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1. well - that works both ways - I certainly saw a few similar fanasies
4 years ago
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:58 AM
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7. Posted here
and allowed to stay? Prove it.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:02 AM
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8. Really. I'd love to see them.
Any links? No?
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:15 AM
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2. WTF?
Why isn't this Turner guy being arrested?
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:20 AM
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4. Beat me to it. I thought the secret service does not mess
around with threats... :wtf:
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:35 PM
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12. Turner walks a very fine line and has for years
Some of his writings are chilling.

For years I believed that claims of plots and conspiracies were mostly fantasy intended to sell papers and get some groups excited. A colleague loaned me the Turner Diaries and some other materials. It really opened my eyes.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:17 AM
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3. ASSOCIATIONS!!!!
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:28 AM
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5. I'm sure the Secret Service is going to keep a very watchful eye....
...on c*********s like this c***. Who knows, maybe the FBI has infiltrated his organization and is prepared to crack down hard on these little sissies.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:42 AM
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6. He's worse than bin Laden. He is advocating slaughtering his own countrymen.
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 10:42 AM by liberalmuse
Fuck him and all his mules. Throw them all in jail and fine their Nazi asses.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:42 AM
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9. BTW, has anyone actually contacted the FBI/Secret Service about this?
I didn't see in any of the articles that anyone has. Anyone know?

I find it odd that for a guy with such detailed assassination fantasies nobody seems to be taking him seriously.

PB
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:03 PM
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11. The FBI has a huge data base of just about all the crazies, nuts, weirdos,
dirtbags, loonies, drug runners, meth heads, moonshiners, fundie extremists, cultists, lunatics, and general insane end of the world rabble. They track many many many of these groups with covert operators.

I think it was back in the 60's when it was revealed that the american communist party was more FBI informants and under-covers than it was actual members.

most of these loons can be picked up on two simple things mail fraud or failure to pay their taxes, but they don't, usually they track them in hopes of these nuts leading them to bigger fish.

it's the lone gunmen, disenfranchised, white middle aged male, recently unemployed that they are really worried about.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:58 PM
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15. Thinkin their data base is not close to including even half of them
Just based on what I hear in a population of under 1300 people, the feds don't have it all covered at all.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:53 AM
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10. Given Turner's past statements I would imagine the FBI/SS has someone monitoring
his blog at all times. Isn't that what they're supposed to do?

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:00 PM
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13. I don't understand why he isn't in jail for this
WTF?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:55 PM
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14. A minister in our little rural community was pretty overt in Veteran's Day prayer
calling for stopping what the lawful election set into motion. Same guy who railed about Wright being focused on hate.... How the hell do these people live with themselves?

I keep recalling people making innocuous statements, kids writing essays, websites questioning bush fitness to rule, all getting visits from various law enforcement and SS. How much of the hate speech crap do we have to take before we turn the crackers making threats over to the authorities? I am not one to much engage in limiting speech, but where is the line on this issue? I have fucking already hit the limit of my rather copious patients with the mouthing off turned to threats from crackers.
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