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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:41 PM
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End all discrimination
People just don't like some people. Whether they don't like large people, or disfigured people, or people with bad teeth or whatever. But it isn't fair to assign people to a hard life just because you don't like how they look or how they live. Stop all discrimination. Not just what is against the law now. Make all discrimination against the law.
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Synicus Maximus Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:52 PM
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1. How exactly would that work?
If I don't like someone because they are short or tall I should be tried and convicted of discrimination? I will grant that if I refuse someone a job or housing or such because I dislike them is wrong.
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:07 PM
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2. Right
If someone affects another's life, they should be tried and convicted. Human rights has been overlooked just because we made some violations against the law. Such as age, sex race ....etc. If someone cause another person grief over their god given persona, then that person should go to jail. It is time to stop hating for hates sake.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:14 PM
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3. What about Afirmative Action or other preferences?
Is what you advocate absolute meritocracy
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:34 PM
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5. No absolute
anti meritocracy. I advocate no subjective judgment .
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:25 PM
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4. People here in the US
will NEVER stop discriminating against those who are disfigured.
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:34 PM
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6. Then lets make it illegal
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:54 PM
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15. The hard part is in proving
that a person is not hired because of their disfigurement. I have 3 friends who are facially disfigured as is my son.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:36 PM
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7. No. You suck.
;)
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:58 PM
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11. Whats that for ?
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:01 PM
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12. A joke. Notice the smiley?
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:10 PM
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13. Sorry, was so taken back by the you suck
I missed the Smiley. In between helping wife with dinner and running back to computer. Thanks for the explanation.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:40 PM
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8. Probably impossible
You discriminate, we all do to some degree or another. I think it would be nearly impossible to prove in most situations beyond blatant behavior against identifiable groups and even that can be tough to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:45 PM
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9. ALL discrimination? How about discrimination based on ability?
Should you be able to sue a potential employer merely because they hired someone else over you because that person is better qualified than you? Should I be able to sue the LPGA for not letting me on the tour simply because I can't play golf that well?

C'mon people, think. Let's not just emote all the freakin' time. Your heart is in the right place; your brain just wasn't fully engaged.
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:57 PM
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10. You are
putting the rights of a stockholder above human rights. So far, all that has gotten us is on the brink of an economic depression. It's not all about helping some stockholder, it's about helping fellow man.
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:12 PM
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14. O...keee...
Are you suggesting that employers should not be able to discriminate between job applicants on the basis of ability? Say I'm the personnel official at a college, and we're in need for an advanced calculus instructor. You and John Doe apply. John Doe has a Ph.D in calculus and has taught the subject for five years. You never even took basic calculus in college, but you need a job more than he.

Should the college be able to be sued for discrimination for hiring John Doe over you?

How about this? You live in a town that has two general stores. One store is run by well-known Republicans, donators to conservative causes. The other store is run by progressives. Being the good progressive you are, you choose to do all your shopping at the progressive store. Should the owners of the other store be able to sue you for discrimination?
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:20 PM
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16. Not saying ability.
Two people equally qualified, one can win a beauty contest the other can't. You have to toss a coin to decide. Or if the less attractive person is moe qualified, you have to hire that person. No subjective discrimination . The next parameter would be seniority.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:28 PM
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17. Why senority?
I am yet to see a situation where seniority (by itself) has value
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:40 PM
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18. value of life
two candidates, one older or on the job longer gets advantage. About human rights. We have disregarded life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in favor of making a profit for the stockholder. I had a discussion with business school grad. Acknowledged that they taught business ethics. I asked him what the bottom line of business ethics was. He said make a profit for the stockholder. That got us here on the brink of disaster. Need to re=evaluate ethics and morals. My cable system keeps locking and is making my replies take a lot of time.
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