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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:43 PM
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The President needs to order a MASSIVE Computer Literacy and Ownership Initiative to Circumvent the
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 07:27 PM by Wiley50
MSM Make it part of the stimulus package

Out of work IT folks could be hired to run the workshops

Each participant completing the course should receive a new bare bones laptop

Perhaps an XO $100 laptop but with more adult software and in an adult color

That would put 1000's of people to work building them (in the US)

Free Wireless broadband in EVERY city

This this would create a huge amount of jobs

And, most importantly, It would make TV news irrelevant (as it already is to us)

The MSM will ALWAYS be Right Wing Shills

It's time to make an end run around them

FREE THE PEOPLE'S MINDS!
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Belial Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:50 PM
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1. Take the price and triple it.. if the govt has anything to
do with it..
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:53 PM
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2. As long as the Bush administration..
isn't handing out the contracts, we'll be saving bushels.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:22 PM
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5. Well, that's the whole point of Obama's transparency edict.
Isn't it nice when a government is run with accountability?
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:45 PM
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6. Yeah, because the government can't POSSBILY do anything efficiently, right?
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 07:46 PM by Salviati
:eyes:

You do know that, for example Medicare averages 4% overhead for bureaucratic and administrative expenses, compared to the 17% average for private medical insurance?

I'm not saying that government intervention is the right answer in every case, but that it is possible for the government to run a tight ship in the things that we decide we want it to do.




#'s taken from:


http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=1623

http://masscare.org/health-care-costs/overhead-costs-of-health-care/
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Belial Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 08:11 PM
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9. Does that take into account the massive fraud costs that medicare
forks out every year?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 08:21 PM
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11. And all those welfare Cadillacs it buys for people...
Where are you getting your information?

--imm
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:35 AM
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13. I suspect I know where
....

Does not take a genious
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:00 AM
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16. Think DOD and FEMA, NCLB
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:47 PM
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7. WRONG, but that's ok, speaking of... RW talking points
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Belial Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 08:16 PM
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10. Sorry.. just call them like I see them..
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:34 AM
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12. And that does not mean you are correct
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 01:35 AM by nadinbrzezinski
see Medicare... for example

Or Tricare
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Belial Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:20 AM
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17. I am lazy.. so I just did a cut and past..
Transportation
Boston "Big Dig" $2.6b (1985) $14.6b (2002)
Denver International Airport $1.7b (1989) $4.8b (1995)
Virginia "Mixing Bowl" $241m (1994) $676m (2003)
Seattle light rail system $1.7b (1996) $2.6b (2000)
Kennedy Center parking lot $28m (1998) $88m (2003)

Energy
Yucca mountain radioactive waste $6.3b (1992) $8.4b (2001)
Hanford nuclear fuels site $715m (1995) $1.6b (2001)
Idaho Falls nuclear fuels site $124m (1998) $273m (2001)
National ignition laser facility $2.1b (1995) $3.3b (2001)
Weldon Springs remedial action $358m (1989) $905m (2001)

Defense (per unit)
F/A-22 Raptor fighter $89m (1992) $248m (2002)
V-22 Osprey aircraft $23m (1987) $90m (2001)
RAH-66 Comanche helicopter $31m (2000) $52m (2002)
CH-47F cargo helicopter $8m (1998) $18m (2002)
SBIRS satellite system $732m (1998) $1.6b (2002)
Patriot advanced missile $4m (1995) $10m (2002)

Medicaid
Special hospital subsidy $100m (1987) $11b (1992)
Medicare
Part A (HI), cost in 1990 $9b (1965) $67b (1990)
Home care benefits, cost in 1993 $4b (1988) $10b (1993)
Other
1996 farm law (over seven years) $47b (1996) $118b (2002)
International Space Station $17b (1995) $30b (2002)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 12:10 PM
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19. And you are still wrong
the operations overheard for Medicare is 4%, Tricare, which was partially privatized, is 6%

What is the average cost of your average medical insurance? 15%

You are lazy and repeating right wing talking points

Nothing wrong in it, even some very liberal folks get lazy from time to time and don't check on things like that

By the by, right now the economy needs the adrenalin anyway, so what's your beef?

And if you have a beef with government, then perhaps this is the wrong site for you. The government is the problem mantra will be applauded at free republic, but not here... just an FYI
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JANdad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:52 AM
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14. Turn off Fox News
And see something different for a change o enlightened one...

And BTW...nice sig line...enjoy your stay...
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:15 AM
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15. Neat avatar
However one whould think that someone so steeped in chaos would laugh off the curse of greyface you wear along with name and your sig.

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Belial Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:25 AM
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18. You are correct.. sigh.. it was a mood thing
I need to find a better one for cynical.. :)
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:53 PM
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3. K&R
An excellent idea!

:applause:
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:57 PM
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4. Sounds like a great idea
:)
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Left coast liberal Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 08:03 PM
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8. I like it! Sign me up.. NT
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 12:34 PM
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20. How about just
making high schools require IC³ certification for graduation?
Internet and Computing Core Certification
Wiki on IC³
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:47 PM
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21. WOW, a lot of you fuckers sure know how to hijack a thread
Thanks, but no thanks

(all but 4 replies are on a different topic)

SUCKS!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:49 PM
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22. the right and MSM have already lost the kids...it's just some of their parents that need
access to other sources of information.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 02:00 PM
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23. Yep, that was my thinking
but too many here preferred turning my thread into a debate on govt efficiency at running programs

Thanks for your post
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:09 PM
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24. yeah, like the efficiency of private health insurance vs. medicare
the private sector is very efficient at skimming off profits, even at the expense of the goods or services they are supposed to be providing.
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