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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:30 AM
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Digby nails it - again. Tax Cut Primer
Edited on Wed Jan-28-09 08:33 AM by Coexist
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/uriah-heeps-on-parade-by-digby-its.html

Look, I blame the Democrats for this too. They needed to explain that the government has to spend money directly to create jobs, whether it's a job working backstage at Shakespeare in the Park or putting in new lawns on the mall or staffing family planning clinics. It's all jobs, many of which already exist and will be kept rather than lost if the feds can kick in some money. Tax cuts are used to stimulate demand, but the last round didn't halt the slide. Neither has interest rate cuts. None of the usual stuff is working. That's why a direct injection of federal money into the economy is required.

Republicans babble about tax cuts no matter what the situation. (They talked about them after 9/11 and Katrina, fergawdsake. They have nothing else.) You would think this was obvious at this point, but apparently everyone in Washington has been so indoctrinated in conservative propaganda that they just can't grasp it.

Matthews betrays a common fundamental misunderstanding of how the tax code works, which the Republicans are cynically using to advance their own agenda. Nobody seems to get this one except for Barney Frank (and he didn't have a good explanation for it either when I saw him talk about it this morning.) If you give a credit to just the people who work and pay payroll taxes (medicare and social security) but who don't make enough money to pay federal income taxes, you are directly targeting the working poor, by definition. Rich people usually don't do their own taxes so they never look at the tax tables. But those of us who do see that many people at minimum wage jobs don't end up paying any federal income taxes --- after they take their standard deduction and other tax credits. It's not that they don't work or pay anything fergawdsake. In fact, the federal government holds on to their money all year and then refunds it to them after they file.

If, on the other hand, if you do what the Republicans cynically want Obama to do, and lower the rates from 15% to 10%, you are lowering the rates for every taxpayer in America, even the millionaires. No matter how much they earn, everyone pays the same rate on the first 20 thousand or so of their earnings. Just as everyone then pays the same rate on the next 20 thousand and so on. (Say, 10% on the first 20 and 15% on the second 20%) The rate goes up the more you earn, but not on the whole amount you earn, only the difference between brackets. That's one reason that all the nonsense about being in a "higher tax bracket" isn't exactly correct. Only the amount you earned above the lower bracket is taxed at the higher rate.

The Republicans want to give a tax break to people who don't need it and want to deny a targeted tax credit to the working poor

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No one ever puts it better, with more precision, than Digby.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:39 AM
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1. Republicans are trying to drain the Fed money and blame the poor
Same old story in this country. They just have a media infrastructure to do it.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:56 AM
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2. its always the fault of the poor
like they brought down the worlds financial geniuses.

oy.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:09 AM
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3. Exactly
why they signed up for loans they should have KNOWN they couldn't pay off and then the big boys bought and sold these things like crack, to each other

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:22 AM
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4. This Is A Bigger Mess Than A Quick Fix Will Fix...
The repugnicans are spewing their tax cut bullshit cause that's all they have. There's no economic agenda here...other than "less government" that has resulted in outsourcing and consolidation that were fully rejected by the voters last year. They have no solution, no direction...all they have are worn-out slogans and failed policies. Tax cuts mean zero to those who don't have an income...or a business that has gone into bankrupcy. And those cuts mean less money to the millions who live off of government jobs and grants.

The first thing that is needed is to stop the downward slide. We saw thousands of jobs go kaput this week as the credit crunch has stalled the economy. Money isn't moving and debts are soaring...this has to be fixed first before you can look at how to move forward.

While creating jobs is important, the immediate need is to prevent people from losing their homes, incomes and savings. It's to stop the slide that could see thousands or millions more out of work in the next year and the implosion of our tax bases. We've tried the "trickle down" solutions...they failed. Now it's time to build, once again, from the ground up.

The faster the middle class recovers, the fast this nation gets back on its feet. And that's what scares the repugnicans.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 04:00 PM
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6. Yes, there is no quick fix
It took many years of dedicated Republican greed to bring us to this pretty pass, and it won't be righted overnight. And you're correct, the first thing to do is to stop digging (that is, following the failed policies of the ruinous Republicans); we're in a deep enough hole already.

One of the first things to do is redirect the flow of Treasury dollars from dead ends to domestic investments. Profligate spending on the military doesn't do much for the domestic project. A dollar spent on a weapon that sits in a silo pretty much ends that dollar's usefulness. A dollar taken out of the Treasury to go into some overrich guy's bank account doesn't do very much, either. But a dollar spent on a road project repairs a highway. The highway worker earns that dollar, then spends it on groceries. The supermarket spends the dollar buying more produce. The farmer spends the dollar on gas to truck more produce to market. The trucker spends the dollar on a gift for his wife and drives his truck on a smoother road.

But this takes a little time for that dollar to go from road improvement to the trucker's wife's gift. Redirecting the flow of Treasury dollars won't turn things around all at once, but it will do it eventually.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 04:02 PM
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7. well put, gratuitous.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 03:45 PM
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