Do Some People Here REALLY FUCKING BELIEVE THE WT STORY About Holder????

Really????? The Wash Times reports this and you buy it, hook line and sinker? Are you FUCKING kidding me???

If they report it, I am more likely to believe EXACTLY the opposite.

Holy crikey people, get a grip. Kit Bond said it! It must be true! :eyes:

This is almost certainly total fucking bullshit meant to sow discord among Democrats about Holder. It's glaringly obvious bullshit.

Story here:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/kit_bond_holder_promised_no_torture_prosecutions.php

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but if it comes from the Times, it's automatically - in my world - discounted 99%.

How could they enforce it anyway if they could? Somehow we are to believe the minority party can put conditions under which the AG serves?

Its such a stupid story but it feeds into the misconceptions some already have about Obama.

How anyone can believe a quote in the Moonie Times from an idiot like Kit Bond is beyond me.

Democrats tend to love discord because it proves they are Democrats, being all democratic and everything.

of not doing anything these last two years to stop unconstitutional and unlawful acts.

The Washington Times printed it and some people might believe it and we have a right here to set the record straight. We can not ignore this crap any longer

...non sequitur thread?

PB

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Unless I can verify it multiple times from sources that I can in at least some regard classify as credible, and then it is still kind of iffy.

Unfortunately, I am not aware of the story you cite so I don't have an opinion or thought one way or the other.

I think it's ridiculous to think the Times would make up or distort the conversation, but I could easily imagine Bond lying to them.

Then again, I could also imagine it being true. Maybe Holder promised exactly what Bond said he did.

They have something of a history of making things up, to put it mildly.

I know they're shamelessly biased to the right and that they spew rw propaganda, but I didn't know that they had a history of making anything up. Is it true or are you smearing them?

I looked in their Wikipedia entry for any journalism scandals, and I couldn't find any. I looked in Media Matters, and I found a lot of stuff about them but nothing like fabricating a news story.

Or don't, if you are predisposed to believing dispatches from the Looney Bin.

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Sure, ridiculous. :eyes:

If he confirms the story he is in violation of Federal Law.

If he confirms he was quoted correctly but lied he can be censured.

If he denies making the quote he looks like the moron he is AND pisses off the Washington Post.

If the Post has the statement recorded (and most reporters do) AND he lies about making the statement again, censure is likely.

But the whole deal is about forcing Bond to comment on the story...

This one is a freebie if the press just goes after him.

The corporate media won't go after Bond cause he gave them the "dish" they seek. This sounds like yet another right wing game of "moral indignation"...trying to bully President Obama and Holder not into prosecuting if its waranted. In reality, Bond and his goons did't have the votes to stop Holder's confirmation and methinks this is a "face saving" game...Bond speaking to the wingnuts rather than to anyone else. And there's no better place to do that than the Moonie Times.

Isn't that commonly referred to as hearsay?

The Moonie Times is the only media reporting it.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/leahy-its-improper-for-a-senator-to-seek-torture-assurances-from-holder-in-exchange-for-vote.php

TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT. Bond's a liar and WT is Repub propoganda. Anything else need to be said?

"Maybe Governor Blagojevich " would have sought such an assurance, Leahy quipped.

Bond pressed Holder to promise not to prosecute. Bond stated, truthfully, the Obama administration standard response: no one is above the law, but we want to look forward at this time of economic crisis. He had already stated very clearly in the committee hearing on his confirmation that he believes that waterboarding is torture and that there are feasible interrogation alternatives to it. Bond was under a lot of pressure to confirm Holder's nomination, especially from the Rove clique that doesn't want to see the controversy over Rove's subpoena get a lot of public attention. (Rove wants to corner the Obama administration into a "compromise" on that one at least.) Bond needed to vote for Holder but wanted to save face, so in discussing his conversation with Holder with the Times, he emphasized Holder's statement that the Obama administration will look forward.

Look, deals are probably being made. And there is a lot of pressure on the Obama administration to trade off justice and the rule of law with regard to the crimes of the Bush administration for passage of the economic stimulus bills. Obama wants peace right now. Is he likely to put the trials against the criminals in the Bush administration on hold in exchange for Republican cooperation? Yes. Is that a huge mistake? Yes, in the long run, but No, in the short run.

So what do we need to do. Each and every one of us needs to read Jane Mayer's book, "The Dark Side." I assure you, if you read that book, you will have the facts that you need to persuade a lot of your friends that we must have prosecutions -- especially of Addington who not only advocated for the violations of law with regard to torture but who clearly interfered bullied lawyers in the Justice Department.

If you think we don't need to prosecute and you have not yet read Jane Mayer's "The Dark Side," forgive me for being rude by you should just shut up. You don't know what you are talking about. What happened was much, much worse than you would ever believe.

One of the torture victims was an apparently completely innocent individual who was tortured due to mistaken identity. That is absolutely reprehensible. (What is more, some of the people who dealt with this victim of the Bush administration crimes suspected that he was not a terrorist but apparently did their "duty" nevertheless.) Read the book -- from the beginning to the end.

I do not believe they are all as stupid as they pretend to be.