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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:14 PM
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Kissed their ass for zero votes in the House.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:14 PM
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1. Limbaugh told 'em to.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:14 PM
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2. and who looks like the asshole in this scenario? the GOP
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:17 PM
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9. And now Obama and the Democrats have ammo for the next big vote
We should start referring to them as the Grand Obstructionist Party.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:27 PM
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19. Exactly
It's not like Obama didn't give them the chance.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:53 PM
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32. Bing! Anyone who thinks Obama lost out in this is mistaken. nt
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:15 PM
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3. I hope Obama has learned the true meaning
of the word bipartisanship when it comes to dealing with the Republicans.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:16 PM
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7. I truly hope so. nt
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:05 PM
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41. Yep. For them "bipartisanship" means they have their way on everything.
Obama can tell them to go suck eggs next time.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:15 PM
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4. Time to change tactics imo.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:16 PM
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5. That's okay.
It got good press, and people will no doubt be disgusted because they know President Obama reached across the aisle and got a slap in the face from these repugnant pieces of shit who hate America and her people.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:16 PM
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6. he didn't kiss their asses and he didn't compromise
Obama did what he said he'd do; he listened. He can say he made an effort but the pukes weren't willing to work with him.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:30 PM
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20. Not exactly.
We gave them cuts in family planning and deleted the much needed renovation of the DC mall. That's less choice for women and several hundred jobs for workers in DC. We bowed our heads and took it out. And they still herded themselves into a stinking huddle to vote lock step. They are having a party right now and giggling at our naivete.

Barack took his message straight to the middle east to show how much al Qaeda wants to mess things up. Now he needs to take his message to middle America to show how much al Republica wants to mess things up. But of course he could get straight coverage from Al Arabiya. Lets see how CNN or MSNBC does.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:16 PM
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8. and now we know.
as if we didn't before.
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:17 PM
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10. I'm pissed Off
The democrats to out useful items such as family planning, and for what? Zero republicans votes. I knew this was going to happen.Obama and congressional democrats should had saw this coming, and not conceding anything.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:18 PM
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11. just like the wall street giveaway...
add a shitload of crap for the repukes and then they don't vote for it anyway.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:25 PM
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15. And they're already talking about giving the pukes more in the Senate...
Will Dems NEVER learn??
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:26 PM
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17. "democrats" aren't our friends.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:31 PM
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21. They're not even their own friends - they act like they despise themselves.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:20 PM
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12. You guys need to realize that he knew he wasn't going to get many, if any, house GOP votes on this.
What he is doing is making them expend all their political capital on the stimulus package.

Then, when the future bills come around, like the healthcare reform, and the gigantic multi-trillion dollar federal budget, he can slap them around and they will have spent themselves on this thing.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:55 PM
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34. Right
The family planning stuff and DC Mall work were low-priority items (although I personally disagree with the family planning being discarded, but I have faith it'll show up somewhere else real soon), the throwaway stuff you put in precisely to throw away during negotiations.

I don't think a whole lot of people understand how this process works.

Obama set the Republicans up for this. It'll be fun to see the next move.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:13 PM
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42. Exactly.
Edited on Wed Jan-28-09 07:15 PM by Marr
And it's not as if this little play let the Republicans look good, either. They come out of this looking like obstructionist ideologues at a time when people are sick of ideologues and want something done.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:21 PM
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13. Obama's visit to Congress was a brillaint move. Some people here
should really grow up. He had the votes. He made the jesture. They did exactly what he figured they would do and they will pay for it with the voters. He kissed no ass but they will be kissing his. A little restraint and patience please!
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:22 PM
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14. Exactly
He exposed them.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:27 PM
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18. some people here evidently don't have two good brain cells to rub together.
alas.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:31 PM
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22. And some people here don't read
past the headlines. alas.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:36 PM
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25. and some of us, dear, read far past the headlines and far more than the MSM
some of us actually have an idea about the process and tactics.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:02 PM
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40. And some of you, dear, only have ideas
that conform to preconceived notions. Having an "idea" about process isn't the same as knowing the facts. The fact is that Democrats did give up some stuff to placate the yahoos. We gave up some jobs and some important policy to try to get them on board. They just laughed.

Now, dear, Obama can make good with this. He can go public against the republican's recalcitrance. But it doesn't mean that master strategy is taking place. It means they will have to rethink their mistaken belief that the republicans will act in good faith. This was a lock step slap in the face. It was a snub. It was an opening salvo to four years of obstruction.

But, dear, go ahead and turn every thing that happens into a victory. With tactics like that, we'll never get out of Iraq, stimulate the economy, or accomplish universal healthcare.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:26 PM
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16. So what?
Obama did compromise with them, though on not the most importat parts of the bill like tax relife for average Americans. This make the GOP look very partisan and rigid, ultimately I think the public will agree.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:33 PM
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23. President Obama got his bill through,
and walks away looking like a flower smelling good.

The Republicans end up looking like shit.

Barack Obama is a master at getting the public to side with him on these kinds of slight.

It's a win/win for Barack Obama and us.
The "No we Can't" Republicans end up looking like they are a No can do party, unless we are backing Bush!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:40 PM
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26. Not without concessions Dems didn't have to make...
And now the Senate will make more concessions ~ it's ridiculous.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:34 PM
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24. Gave them a lot of rope and showed them how to tie the noose.
And the idiots used it.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:40 PM
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27. Do people here actually think Obama is stupid or something?
Obama knew all along the Republicans weren't going to vote for this. All the reaching out to the Republicans was to show the American people that he was willing to be bipartisan.

The Republicans are the ones who look like partisan fools, unwilling to work with the new President.

It was so obvious what Obama was doing, I'm actually surprised there are people here who couldn't see it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:44 PM
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28. It would be clever if we hadn't made unnecessary concessions.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:00 PM
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37. we didn't lose anything important
at least to an economic stimulus bill. I think some are too caught up in that we made concessions and didn't get anything in return without perspective on what was lost. Ultimately the GOP is looks partisan and unwilling to compromise and that will give Obama leverage in in future. Things like the family planning provision simply come back in a more appropriate bill

So the last thing we need to do is stoop their level and say 'fuck 'em we're in majority' just like in war it's much easier to defend in the high ground.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:21 PM
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43. Not really.
Edited on Wed Jan-28-09 07:22 PM by Marr
It's the concessions that make the Republicans look so obstructionist. The other side compromised, and they still stomped their feet and shouted, "no". They look like asses, and their resistance will be even less effective next time around because of it.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:01 PM
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39. People here think they are smarter
Edited on Wed Jan-28-09 07:01 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Many people here don't know fuck all about politics except the "score" provided by the media on any given day. The same genius strategists were yelping that Obama could never win a general 3election back in February. Like I said, they know fuck all.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:45 PM
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29. Obama reached out and the GOP refused ...
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:46 PM
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30. President Obama (gawd, I still love that!) did it to keep a promise
Throughout the entire campaign, primary and general, he insisted he was the one to get past politics as usual. America realizes that he only has control over his own actions, not over the other side.

I really do expect him to offer the extended hand to the Repukes time and time again. Every time they spit in it, it helps our party in the next election. Wouldn't it be interesting if the American people perceived this behavior as working better with our so-called enemies abroad than it worked with the GOP? We have to solidify the gains we made the last couple of elections, this is the way to do it.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:49 PM
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31. Don't forget how he won the election
His opponents would throw BS, but he would stay calm and focused, and eventually even many tools out there saw that his opponent could actually do little but fling poop and fear around.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:54 PM
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33. Obama thinks so far ahead of me, it never fails to amaze me.
I've always hated this "bipartisan" bullshit. Extend a hand to the Republicans and they bite it off...every single time! I can't believe Obama doesn't know this.

But the thing is, he DOES know--he was a senator after all. Their obstructionist tactics are old news to him. As things stand now, he can say truthfully that he was willing to meet the Republicans halfway, but it's now obvious they don't want to work with him. So from now on, the only side he has to consider is the Democratic majority, which will become even bigger in 2010.

Absolutely brilliant move on his part.

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:57 PM
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35. He took the high road...
And showed them to be the cowards they truly are.

It's a very smart move, IMHO.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:59 PM
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36. Long view, genius
Long view.

"How's he gonna win without New York and California!!!" - Genius DU Strategists, March 2008

:rofl:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:01 PM
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38. I hope all you "strategists" and "tacticians" are right in your assessment of this as a
positive thang.

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:23 PM
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44. just like little kids who are mad because they didnt get their way
like they have been used to for 8 years...but like spoiled brats, they will learn, in time, they arent going to get their way.

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