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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:05 PM
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Help Refute (or is it true?) Interesting Statistics 2008 election
Just got this email - nothing in snopes or fact check yet. Can I get a little help efuting it? Where do they get this shit? Is even a shred of it true (the acreage - maybe but who cares about that....

Interesting Statistics

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law,
St. Paul , Minnesota , points out facts of 2008 Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Democrats: 19
Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by:
Democrats: 580,000
Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Democrats: 127 million
Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Democrats: 13.2
Republicans: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won by Republicans
was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.
Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare .

Professor Olson believes the United States is now somewhere
between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's
definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's
population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to
the USA in fewer than five years

Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake,
knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:07 PM
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1. Not even close to being true. Snopes is your friend.
Edited on Wed Jan-28-09 08:12 PM by FSogol
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp

Fact check had an article on this also, but I can't find it. It wasn't even written by the professor it was credited to.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:10 PM
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4. But Snopes is owned by the libruls!
Truth has a librul bias, but rightwing nuts aren't interested in truth.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:24 PM
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10. I Saw That One & Started Reading It - Amzing How They Recycle the Same Shit
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:06 PM
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19. From FactCheck.org
Edited on Wed Jan-28-09 09:08 PM by Earth Bound Misfit
This chain e-mail is a hoax. The "statistics" are grossly incorrect, and Prof. Olson says he didn't write it.

First, Joseph Olson is a professor at Hamline (not Hemline) University School of Law in St. Paul, Minn. None of what appears in this e-mail was written by him. He has been denying authorship of this old hoax since earlier versions first cropped up after the 2000 election. Most recently he posted a disclaimer about the 2008 version on his university profile page: http://law.hamline.edu/node/784

Olson: There is an e-mail floating around the internet dealing with the 2008 Obama/McCain election and the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scottish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, etc. Part of it is attributed to me. It is entirely BOGUS as to my authorship. I've been trying to kill it since December 2000.


-snip-

This hoax goes back eight years, when an earlier version began to circulate following the bitterly disputed 2000 presidential election. Snopes.com, a site devoted to debunking urban myths, took that one apart at the time, noting that Prof. Olson denied authorship and that some factual claims didn't check out. A new version went around for a time after the 2004 election, and whoever wrote the 2008 version of the e-mail didn't even bother to make up new "stats," but simply substituted the words "Democrats" and "Republicans" where the names "Gore" and "Bush" had appeared.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/whats_the_deal_with_prof_joseph_olsons.html

edit to add FactCheck.org link

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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:07 PM
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2. Obama won way more than 19 states.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:12 PM
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9. 28, in fact. Plus DC. Plus that electoral district in NE.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:27 PM
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14. I Thought So - It Was Over EARLY - Not Even Close
But these nuts just keep flingin poo -
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:08 PM
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3. The square miles and the number of states doesn't mean crap
Repukes live in the more sparsely populated Western States - those states went to McCrook. For states, it matters more how many electoral votes the states won have than the number of states - or the size of the landmass. Alaska is huge but has a sparse population and thus only 3 electoral votes.

Big red states will have counties with their biggest cities, most likely to have gone to the Democrats if any counties in the red states did. Crimes rates are higher in cities - more people crowded together. But it doesn't reflect on the party the way they are trying to claim it does.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:11 PM
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5. This OP is close to the most pathetic fail ever.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:26 PM
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12. Best Response Yet
I already did my obligatory reply all
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:11 PM
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6. i wasn't aware that we annexed Hawaii and Alaska
we're back to 48 states?
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:12 PM
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7. Well, he sure got one thing right!!
"apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom."
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:29 PM
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15. I'm Pretty Sure He's From Dumbfukistan
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:12 PM
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8. Boo!
Democrats and "criminal invaders" will destroy Amerika!

This inane dribble is supposed to make you afraid of Democrats and all those people who are not American citizens and not legally allowed to be in this country.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:31 PM
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16. I Get One or Two of These a Week, I'm Tired from Shoveling Snow All Day
Its amazing the shit they make up - and pass around without even a thought to see if its true....
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:25 PM
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11. Here's your key: "Democrat territory..."
Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare.


Besides the obvious Puke-bias of using "Democrat" as an adjective, consider the delusional nature of someone who thinks that most of the people in cities live in government-owned tenements and live on welfare. This idiot wouldn't know a valid statistic if one bit him on the Ayn Rand novel sticking out of his ass.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:27 PM
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13. Hemline University? Is that in Garterbelt, MI? There is...
a Hamline Universtiy, and Olson does teach in its law school, but this is suspicious.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:39 PM
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17. From the Professor's own Hamline University site:
DISCLAIMER: There is a series of e-mails floating around the internet dealing with the 2008 Obama/McCain election and the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scottish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, suicide rates, or ANYTHING ELSE. Part of it is attributed to me. It is entirely BOGUS as to my authorship. I've been trying to kill it since December 2000. For details see: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp.

http://law.hamline.edu/node/784
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:40 PM
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18. Why didn't you google it?
It only took a second... just wondering.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:16 PM
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20. The professor cited in this story disclaims it on his own website below:


DISCLAIMER: There is a series of e-mails floating around the internet dealing with the 2008 Obama/McCain election and the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scottish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, suicide rates, or ANYTHING ELSE. Part of it is attributed to me. It is entirely BOGUS as to my authorship. I've been trying to kill it since December 2000. For details see: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp.

http://law.hamline.edu/node/784
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