About the parents who killed themselves and their kids.

My wife got an e-mail from a friend of hers out on the west coast today. Her friend gave explained she has had some dealings with the place the Parents worked - Kaiser. Anyways the jest of the e-mail suggested that The parents were trying to get assistance in taking care of their kids. Like getting food stamps. according to the Friend Kaiser is image friendly and probably didn't like the idea of workers getting such type assistance and fired them for it.


I can't image that being true but my wife thought it could be possible.


Anyways I thought I just mention it to you. I personally don't know about Kaiser.

Maybe the children would have preferred strangers over being dead.

have you ever lived in a foster home?

Good ones, at that. I'm sure if you were to ask the kids they look after if they would prefer being shot in the head to being looked after by them, they would probably answer in the negative. Hell, maybe I should march over there right now and shoot them in the face, just to spare them the indignity.

those kids in jail in the future..after all most of us end up there...and ask them then.

once these kids grow up, the public will be clamoring for their heads when they fuck up. Why not 'nip it in the bud'?:sarcasm:

After all, blacks and hispanics make up a sizable portion of the jail population.

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would fully support that! Just no abortions...that takes the thrill of the kill out of it.

Or was that someone else?

especially if they are aware of what life their children would have awaiting them, even in the best of circumstances. It's so easy to condemn, isn't it? And it feels so good!!

Sorta like how shooting five children is wrong.

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I'm not saying they made a lot of money, just that you have to pretty much be making minimum wage (or close to it) to get food stamps.

expenses must be astronomical.

(and im local to where it happened) they misrepresented their employment status with some govt agency to get benefits they werent entitled to. i dont think kaiser is so image friendly that someone getting assistance would get them fired, not to mention the probably illegality of such a firing.

All the staff are nice, attentive and good at their jobs. I had several emergency room visits with morphine prescribed and one gall bladder removed. They were all wonderful. Let's not blame this unstable man's actions on his employer, even if the firing happened as this piece of hearsay claims.

This couple had 5, (five) kids. The parents were pushed to the brink to feed 10 people. The glaring fact is they should have been using birth control, I don't mean that in a cruel way.

I don't have anything nice to say about the parents, taking the lives of their children is just unacceptable and vile.

Correction of number of kids.

we had each other. We always had each other.

Daddy on strike? We somehow got thru it. The Union guys helped. I remember one Christmas some guy coming to the house with this Monstrous sized box full of toys. I was pretty little maybe 5, but I remember that. Toys for all of us, much joy in the house that Christmas.

Daddy laid off? My Parents got us thru.

I'm the baby of the family at 43. We all are alive, all Eleven of us. We still have each other.

'knock on wood'


Should my parents have used birth control?

Yes, they should have.

Using your own existence as some kind of rebuttal to the problem of families having more kids than they can provide for is absurd.

thou, we all are alive and well. Imagine That.

Big families weren't so unusual as they are now. But you're right. When times were tough, you'd manage somehow. You'd never think of giving up, no matter how bad things got.

5-11 kids was the norm. Your parents generation just as mine (I am 43 also) had a different perspective on dealing with hardships.

Many (Not all)people are not prepared to deal with the hardships that are here and that are coming. They can't deal with it for themselves and they can't deal with it for their families.

There is nothing wrong with planning for a family.

along the lines of *go kill yourself*, or something equally as vicious.

Kaiser, from what I remember of them, are vicious money-grubbing whores who are considered the WORST group to have to get medical treatment from. Of course, the company denies anyone actually saying this to the guy - but considering their rep, I wouldn't be surprised.

Kaiser is one of the first groups that should be cut loose from their corporate welfare known as medi-cal and medicare.

That was a picture perfect family. It makes me sick that people feel so helpless that they don't even trust anyone else in this world to give a shit about their own kids, so they kill them. Dear god, what have we become?

because you get laid off goes a tad beyond helpless. I have no sympathy for these people.

thank goodness. People in this country don't have a lot of sympathy for anyone but they and theirs.

Italy or Egypt or a country with big, close, close families, because someone would always be there to help out. In this country, we almost live like wolves. Not even, because at least wolves live together in packs; we don't even do that. We just all do our own thing, and when times get tough, we either rely on ourselves or if we can't even do that, we give up (hopefully not really, but in this case, that's seems to be what happened).

This is one of the forms that it takes.

where has redirish28 been lately?

were totally irrational. They actually planned this thing together. They must have suffered from deep depression to do something so violent and so unexpected by everyone. True desperation here...

We had two people working themselves sick to pay for a big house.

They had what many people would judge to be "too many kids."

They had an employer that is known for lousy service and obscene treatment of employees (like just about every American company).

So, it looks like there's a LOT of blame to go around. Only the shock of the murder/suicide by the parents is driving interest in this, and thus the attempt to fix blame.

The moralists claim that it was inhumane to kill the kids - even though they would have starved or frozen to death. Better a slow death than a fast one, eh?

The social reformers want to make the company culpable.

The ZPG people want to blame the parents for not stopping sex early enough.

Isn't it interesting when everybody decides to weigh in their cultural obsessions and political stances on what should really be the personal decisions of two parents?

The Wolf will be far more cruel than a quick, perhaps unexpected death.

The Wolf is coming for all of us. You'd better have your gun and ammo ready for YOUR kids.

On that line of logic, we might as well kill all our children in case something potentially bad might happen to them down the road.

I swear, the lunacy of some folks here...

Where was their union during whatever transpired before the killings?

Mother, father, and two children. There was a note but what it said hasn't been released yet. I believe it was in Columbus.

daycare that was in place for people making $7-$10 per hour. (The couple made $40/hour each.)