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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:11 PM
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Refuse The New Dollar Coins 'Without God We Trust - Is this new???? Think I have seen this before!!!

This simple action will make a strong statement.

Please help do this...refuse to accept these when they are handed to you. I received one from the Post Office as change and I asked for a dollar bill instead. The lady just smiled and said 'way to go' so she had read this e-mail. Please help out...our world is in enough trouble without this too!!!!!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:12 PM
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1. Huh? What the fuck?
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:12 PM
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2. You've got to be kidding! Right???
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:14 PM
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3. I could be wrong, but I believe those coins have the phrase on the edge
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:17 PM
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4. Yes they do:



I think some were printed without it, by mistake, though. Not sure.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:21 PM
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12. Hey if I get my paws on any of those defective ones, it goes into the
collection...

And people are stupid anyway, in god we trust is a product of the cold war
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:28 PM
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14. No, I just remembered.
The defect was that some were read heads up and some were read tails up. They all had the phrase, just some were upside down.

If memory serves me correctly, that is what the 'defect' was. And, neither is more valuable than the other.

If you do find one without IGWT, save it!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:40 PM
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17. Sort of...
It goes back further, to the civil war IIRC. Let me see, I have some notes around here somewhere...

* In 1860, during the Civil War, Protestant denominations organize the 'National Reform Association', which aimed to amend the Constitution to "declare the nation's allegiance to Jesus Christ."

* In 1861, Rev. M. R. Watkinson writes Salmon P. Chase, the Secretary of the Treasury, a letter suggesting "the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins". He suggests "God, Liberty, Law" as a motto on a "beautiful coin, to which no possible citizen could object".

* In 1864, Congress approves "In God We Trust" for use on one-cent and two-cent coins.

* In 1865, Congress acts to place the motto on all coins.

In 1865, with the conclusion of the Civil War, a new Act was passed by Congress to allow the addition of the phrase "In God We Trust" to currency. "In God We Trust" was still not the national motto at this point and was not used on all money. It was simply allowed to be used on coins, and was used mostly on small denomination coins along with the national motto, "E Pluribus Unum."


-Hoot
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 04:02 AM
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38. Not quite accurate
The motto In God We Trust might have been approved for 1 cent and 2 cent coins in 1864, but it didn't appear on the 1 cent coin until 1909. It appeared on the Shield nickel that was introduced in 1866, but was removed from the next two 5-cent nickel coins ("Liberty" or "V", introduced in 1883, and "Indian Head" or "Buffalo", minted from 1913-1938) and did not appear again on a 5-cent coin until the introduction of the Jefferson nickel in 1938. It did not appear on the dime until 1916, and on the dime-sized $2.50 gold piece until 1908. I believe that in the 1866 law, there was a specific requirement for the motto to appear on nearly all coins having a denomination of 25 cents or higher, but smaller sized and smaller denomination coins were exempt.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:32 PM
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24. Yes, there were. I bought a few on eBay. nt
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 04:07 AM
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39. A small number of the Washington and Adams dollars lack "In God We Trust" and
a few other features.

>>>Minting errors

On March 8, 2007, the United States Mint announced that, on February 15, 2007, an unknown number of George Washington Presidential $1 Coins were released into circulation without their edge inscriptions (the U.S. mottoes, "In God we trust" and "E pluribus unum", the coin's mint mark, and its year of issuance; i.e. E PLURIBUS UNUM • IN GOD WE TRUST • 2007 X (where X is either P or D).<10> Ron Guth, of the Professional Coin Grading Service, estimates that at least 50,000 coins were released without the edge inscriptions. The first such coin discovered was sold on eBay for $600, while later coins were selling $40-$60, as of late March 8, 2007.<11><12> Because one of the inscriptions missing from the coins is the motto "In God we trust", some articles on the subject have referred to them as "Godless dollars." <13> <14> Counterfeit "Godless dollars" have been produced with the edge lettering filed off. These specimens are worth face value.<15>

Also, John Adams Presidential Dollars have been discovered with plain edges. They are lesser in quantity than George Washington plain edge dollars, making them rarer, thus more expensive. Other errors on Adams dollars include doubled edge lettering and moderate die cracks.>>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_dollar_coin
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 06:52 AM
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46. My understanding is that right-wing loons chain-email this - is about the words rubbing off
after years of use cause they are on the edges. Whatever. Damn their priorities are fucked up BAD.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:19 PM
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9. You think you know someone and they send you this crap!!
This woman voted for Obama and is a strong union member. Wonders never cease!!!
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:17 PM
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5. Wha?
I'm so confused. :cry:
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:18 PM
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6. Huh? What are you talking about?
Edited on Thu Jan-29-09 10:19 PM by bowens43
unfortunately , you're wrong. That crap is on the dollars as well.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:18 PM
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7. Typical RW dumbfucks.
Europe has used equivalent coins for years. Americans are just too fucking stupid.
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askeptic Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:19 PM
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8. NOT TRUE - it's on the edge
Even though I happen to think that "In God We Trust" ought NOT to be on a coin of a secular society since it is obvious that God is not universally believed in and in fact it would be much more appropriate to change "God" to "gods". Invoking the supernatural hardly makes sense to me. However, to see the TRUTH, go to Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/dollarcoin.asp
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 07:19 AM
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47. I remember during the Kennedy run for President
there was a genuine fear among anti-Catholics that coinage would be changed from "In God We Trust" to "In the Pope We Hope".

It never came to pass, however.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:20 PM
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:20 PM
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11. I'd be more likely to ask for them if they really had that phrase missing
They would be more valuable in the future, and they would also more inkeeping with the American I want to live in.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:29 PM
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15. Thank you all for the info - will respond to the person who sent it and tell her
"In God We Trust" is printed on the edge of the coin. She just may be very religious, but I doubt she is a RWer as she did vote for Obama and is a strong union member.

I knew DU would have the answers.
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:49 PM
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19. Your OP is still confusing. Why on earth would you want us to refuse
the coins if it wasn't on there?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 03:07 AM
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35. It really would have helped if you'd said "a friend sent me this in a email
please help me debunk it", or similar, rather than just spreading the rumour here, as if you'd written it yourself.

But in any case, if you think you've seen some RW crap before, the Snopes website (as in reply #8) is a better place to go than DU. You can then forward the Snopes link to your friend, whereas a DU debunking will be full of swearing and "which RW bastard told you this?", as this thread has shown.
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Natalya Slosky Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:26 PM
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13. As a Christian...
I think God would NOT want his name on any money. The Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil. "In God We Trust" wasn't used on money until 1957 -- in the middle of the Cold War with the "godless Communists". Eventually it will be taken off -- the sooner the better.
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:36 PM
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16. U.S. Two Cent Piece-1864 to 1873 was the first. n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:25 PM
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23. Teddy Roosevelt agreed with you...
American presidents such as Theodore Roosevelt strongly disapproved of the idea of evoking God within the context of a "cheap" political motto. In a letter to William Boldly on November 11, 1907, President Roosevelt wrote

: "My own feeling in the matter is due to my very firm conviction that to put such a motto on coins, or to use it in any kindred manner, not only does no good but does positive harm, and is in effect irreverence, which comes dangerously close to sacrilege... it seems to me eminently unwise to cheapen such a motto by use on coins, just as it would be to cheapen it by use on postage stamps, or in advertisements."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:25 AM
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29. Not only that but they changed the national moto
E Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One) has been replaced with In God We Trust (Out of One, Many).
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 05:00 AM
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40. That wasn't done until 1954
Right in the middle of the McCarthy era
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 07:42 AM
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49. Christianity is not about "what God wants".
At least in this country, Christianity seems to be about imposing a specific religion on everyone in the country, using the force of law to compel compliance. Hard to believe that this is "what God wants". And BTW, how do you know what God wants or doesn't want anyway?

This religion stuff is confusing to me, especially since it is inherently irrational and I am not.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:40 PM
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18. What?
:wtf:
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:15 PM
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20. First of all, I haven't been given a dollar
coin in change in forever. Maybe never. And someone who has the time to examine each and every coin handed in change is probably the reason the lines at the P.O. are so long.

I'm one who thinks IGWT has absolutely no place on our currency or coins. Something about separation of church and state that I vaguely recall.

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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:20 PM
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21. Go to the post office
Buy a book of stamps with a $20 and wait for the change. Cheap metal tokens galore.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:27 AM
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25. That's the only place that I've seen the dollar coins these days
Frankly, not having "In God We Trust" on the coins is certainly not a reason to refuse to take them. Coins with Reagan on them is a reason to not take them the no In God We Trust thing is silly.

Regards
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 08:49 AM
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50. I have been to the local post office
here in Santa Fe and haven't gotten a dollar coin from then.

I used to have a cashier job where I stocked $2.00 bills in my cash drawer. People were surprised and bemused to receive them, and only twice in the six months that I was using them did customers refuse the $2.00 bill.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:22 PM
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22. The tooth fairy brings golden dollars to our house
Cheaper than $2 bills.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:28 AM
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:32 AM
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27. Oh. My. Gawd.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 03:09 AM
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36. I think THAT should be the new motto.
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 03:09 AM by Warren DeMontague
Or maybe, "Like, OMFG!"
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:43 AM
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28. Snopes says In God We Trust is still on there, but Liberty has been taken off.
Isn't that just a kick in the pants.

I guess god is more important than freedom.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 05:02 AM
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41. I saw that, too
Slightly perverted sense of priorities, I'd say.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:26 AM
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30. The biggest question I have is how am I going to stuff them down a G-string
At the nudie bar?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:31 AM
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31. That is what the coin slot is for, duh!
Everyone has a coin slot.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:40 AM
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33. Sweet Jebus, you're a genius!
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 02:41 AM by MajorChode
I would have never thought of that, but it's perfectly brilliant.

Oh yes, I also forgot to mention I was considering moving up to $2 bills, so you've also saved me a ton of money.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:34 AM
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32. Are you asking us to refuse U.S. curency with out the 'In God We Trust' slogan? nt
If so, then why? If not, then what is your post attempting to communicate?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:46 AM
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34. What?
...What?

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, I don't even know where to start, with this one.

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 03:49 AM
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37. i hope you're quoting that email through the entire post
otherwise, you sound very fr...well, you know...
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 05:16 AM
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42. Oh for the love of the FSM
It's on the fucking edge of the coin.
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 05:24 AM
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43. Change needed?
Should say..."In Filthy Lucre We Trust"? God is what we hide behind...money is what we trust and love.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 05:45 AM
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44. It is Ceasar's no?
Therefore it doesn't matter. The US was more secular in the beginning, I believe anyway. We started adding the God stuff later.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 06:49 AM
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45. I'm an atheist and I don't care what it does or doesn't say on the coin.
If it is spendable, I'll accept it.
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 07:30 AM
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48. Sigh
Don't these dumbasses have anything better to be outraged about?



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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 09:20 AM
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51. Well, I am not into the whole "take god off the money" thing, but if it goes off
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 09:30 AM by Strong Atheist
that would be a step in the right direction...


Edited for grammar.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 09:21 AM
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52. Holy fucking shit...your post made me dumber.

:(
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 09:29 AM
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53. I actually laughed out loud! Well done!
:rofl:
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