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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:04 PM
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To Say Obama Won the 2008 Election Is a Huge Understatement
The 2008 presidential election can best be thought of as two elections. Obama vs. McCain was the official election. The other election, Obama vs. Bush, was the unofficial election, but in many ways the more meaningful of the two.

I say that Obama vs. Bush was the more meaningful of the two elections partly because it was the one in which people had a good idea what they were voting for. George W. Bush had nearly an 8-year presidential record that voters could observe and vote on. McCain on the other hand had no such record. To many voters he was simply “McCain the Maverick”. His whole campaign was based more on that slogan than anything else.

Furthermore, the reason that President Obama sometimes needs to remind Republicans that “I won” is that those Republicans argue for a continuation of governing in the Bush tradition – not in the “McCain the Maverick” tradition. Most Congressional Republicans want nothing more than to continue the same failed policies that our country lived with for the past 8 years and that voters soundly rejected in the 2008 election. But to best understand the magnitude of that rejection, we need to consider and look separately at both the official Obama vs. McCain election AND the unofficial Obama vs. Bush election:


Obama vs. McCain

The Obama vs. McCain election was impressive enough. It was a solid victory for Obama, but it wasn’t a landslide. Obama received more than eight and a half million more votes than McCain, giving him a net advantage of about 7% in the popular vote.

In the Electoral College, Obama won more than twice as many votes as McCain, 365-173. Compared to the very close 2004 election, in which the Republicans had to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Ohio voters in order to win, Obama lost not a single one of the states that John Kerry won, and he picked up nine additional states from all over the country, including three Western states (New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada), three + Midwestern states (Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, and one electoral vote in Nebraska), and three Southern states (Florida, Virginia, North Carolina).


Obama vs. Bush

It’s a little more difficult to assess how Obama performed against Bush in the 2008 election because we don’t have official results for that. Nevertheless, the exit polls provide some very clear and striking information on that subject.

Those exit polls (See page 6) show that John McCain was vastly more popular than George Bush. Aside from the fact that only 27% of voters approved of George Bush’s job performance, almost all of McCain’s support in the 2008 election came from voters who believed that he would NOT continue George Bush’s policies. Among voters who thought that McCain would continue Bush’s policies, McCain received only 8% of the vote. But among voters who thought that McCain would NOT continue Bush’s policies, McCain received 85% of the vote. In other words, what little support McCain received in the 2008 election came from voters who thought of him as “McCain the Maverick”, not as someone who voted for Bush’s policies more than 90% of the time – which he did.

A reasonably accurate measure of voter support for Obama’s vs. Bush’s policies (the policies that most Congressional Republicans favor) comes from voters who believed that McCain would continue Bush’s policies. Those voters composed about one half of the electorate, and they voted for Obama overwhelmingly – 90% to 8%. Never in American history has there been a landslide in a presidential election of anywhere near those proportions. In order to avoid such a landslide, “McCain the Maverick” had to convince about half of the electorate that he would NOT continue Bush’s policies.


Historians say Bush presidency was an abject failure

For those Congressional Republicans who aren’t influenced by the near total repudiation of Bush’s policies by American voters, maybe they should consider what historians have to say on the subject. American Historians have a broader knowledge and understanding of American history than do most Americans, and so they should be better able to put the Bush presidency in proper perspective than are most other Americans.

I posted about this recently, but it bears repeating in the context of this post. A poll of 109 historians was conducted by George Mason University’s History News Network in April 2008 – prior to the worst of our current recession/depression. In that poll, 107 historians rated the Bush presidency a failure, and 2 rated it a success, as depicted in this graph:


In that same poll, 61% of historians rated Bush the worst U.S. President ever, and only 4% rated him in the top 30 (including 2% who rated him a failure). Those figures are depicted in this graph:



The bottom line

If Republican Congresspersons want to vote against the plans of President Obama and Democrats in Congress to put our country back together again, that’s their right. But to whine and complain and rage that their ideas aren’t being taken seriously enough is highly disingenuous or just plain childish. Their policies have been tried for eight long years. Those policies and the president who championed them have been utterly repudiated by the American people. They have been even more thoroughly repudiated by American historians. The evidence shows that had our country not passed the 22nd Amendment to our Constitution, and had George Bush decided to run for a third term, he would have been trounced by Barack Obama far worse than was John (“Maverick”) McCain, and very possibly would have suffered the worst landslide in a presidential election in U.S. history.

These people really don’t deserve to be taken seriously, and certainly they should not be allowed to obstruct serious efforts to put our country back together again.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:26 PM
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1. it was a landslide, as we know, not just in the WH but in Congress
I think President BO was allowing the GOP a chance to look decent, and give them some leverage that they helped move the country forward, and removed some items from the package, but they voted it down hard, and still had to watch it move on to the Senate! So, now, we're at a point where the great Senator Kerry had to say today what many of us felt - we don't need the GOP, don't give them anything unless they're going to vote along with us, and really, we don't even need to to do that.

The GOP house leadership was so bitterly partisan that they deserve no respect from here on out through his tenure as Pres.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:04 PM
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10. Yes, I think you got it just right
My personal guiding principle is to almost always give people the benefit of the doubt to start with. But if their attitude is to mistake courtesy and giving them the benefit of the doubt as a sign of weakness, then to treat them accordingly.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:44 PM
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2. We stomped the Republicans in 2006 also. nt
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:21 AM
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3. Indeed we did.
Too bad nobody told Pelosi and Reid, however.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:43 AM
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4. yes
The people have spoken. They have utterly rejected the religious right and Reaganomics. They voted Dem despite a pervasive and aggressive right wing propaganda campaign dominating the media, and despite the right wingers calling them "socialists." The Democrats made strong gains almost everywhere.

It is absolutely essential, both for the survival of the working people and the poor and disadvantaged in the country, as well as for the success of the administration, that we do not let a relatively small faction within the party - an upscale and gentrified and conservative faction that is small but domineering and well positioned to control the discussion - hijack this mandate from the public with their calls for centrism and triangulating, and drive the party to the right.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 08:37 AM
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7. I fully agree
If the Democratic Party doesn't move to the left of where it is now, the American people will need to make it do so or else start electing more liberal candidates from outside the two major parties.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:57 AM
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5. The M$M is working overtime to convince us we're a divided country
Obama's political capital must have been terrifying to TPTB
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:57 AM
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9. Yes -- They also try to convince us that Obama's election is a sign that we're a center or a
center-right country -- after doing nothing to contradict the pre-election Republican talking points that Obama is the most liberal candidate ever to run for president in our country.

I'm sure that Obama's political capital is terrifying to a lot of people. Bring it on!

What is TPTB?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:24 PM
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11. ...
The Powers That Be
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 04:15 AM
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6. kr
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 09:48 AM
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8. Historians are members of the elite
Anyone who disagrees with Republicans are elite.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:42 PM
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12. Yes -- and
Anyone who is smarter than or knows more than Republicans are elites.

Republicans think that the world is filled with elites.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 10:14 AM
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23. And it was Bush who handed the ultimate judgement
Over to them. Of course, when public opinion favored Bush, the administration used this to legitimize their misdeeds. When it turned sharply against them after the administrations many failures, starting with Katrina, Cheney began to discount public opinion altogether and they began to claim that history and historians would judge.

This choice reveals the emptiness of their populism. Instead of Joe Sixpack and the Soccer Moms, what really matters is the judgment of Ph.D.-holding academics.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:42 PM
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13. Have we had final figures on the returns yet?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 05:47 PM
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18. Here's one from Nov. 6-8
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 09:49 PM
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19. No . . . vote totals . . .
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 09:50 PM by defendandprotect
I looked at your link quickly so hope I didn't miss it ---

but a LONG time after the 2000 election, I think, we learned the vote for Gore exceeded

Bush's nationally by way more than 500 million. Wiki is saying 543,895 million.

Actually, I thought it was more. But, you generally find out LATE.


PS: I doubt corporate-media is anxious to upset the GOP by reporting the actual Obama results!

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:20 PM
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20. 543,895 sounds about right.
Actually, I heard on Wednesday morning that Gore's popular vote exceeded Bush's by about half a million. But they never did tell us that a count of the Florida vote long after Bush was declared president showed that Gore won Florida. They NEVER told us that.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:51 PM
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21. No -- but many here have been trying to get the word out that he won Florida--!!!
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 11:55 PM by defendandprotect
The printed press held back the info until after 9/11 --- I think the press recount

was like Spring/Summer '01 . ./??? and then 9/11 --- and when it did appear in

NY Times, it was almost not there, as I recall it.

Still many don't seem to know re Florida or whole thing -- !!

Amazing that I have not even a guess at how much Obama won by --- and now it's almost

three months since election. But it was a win!

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:58 AM
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22. Ok, I see what you mean
I believe that the uncounted votes by this time are so small that it wouldn't make much of a difference. On the other hand, there are probably a number of provisional ballots that may never be counted -- which only would have been counted if the outcome in a particular state was in doubt. But I don't think that would have had a significant effect on the final vote count.

On the other hand, there is information that the exit polls showed Obama winning by more than he did -- by about 9%. But that data hasn't been fully analyzed yet, so we don't know for sure.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:07 PM
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14. The election signaled not just a change in personnel in the White House,
but also in Congress and local offices as well.
It also signaled, I believe, a new era in the mindset of Americans.
I believe that Americans were at the edge of a cliff and they knew the only way to save their lives, their families and their country was to make as big a break from the past 8 years as possible.
I know that I personally, on the morning after Election Day felt like a hostage who had been released from prison after 8 years of confinement and torture.
I felt that the air finally was fresh again, and I had some hope for the future.
I am not trying to imply that President Obama is the second Coming or anything like that. He simply made me feel like there really is hope for the future. He inspired me to want to work for the things that I now felt were possible.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 04:30 PM
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17. Hopefully this will go down as one of the greatest turning points in U.S. history
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jimmil Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:24 PM
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15. One small correction...
"Their policies have been tried for eight long years."

I would say that the policies carried out by the Bush administration began with Reagan. The eight years of Bush was the culmination of failed Republican policies dating to 1980. What these policies have done is all to clear to everyone so I will not even begin to list them here. Eight years (hopefully) of Democrat control will not fix what has been destroyed however. Republicans know that and will use the problems they created that will continue through this administration to undermine and attack those running in the mid-term elections as well as the 2012 election. Simply put, the problems that cannot be fixed in four or eight years that are a direct result of Republican policy will be attributed to Democrats. Same song, second verse.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 03:24 PM
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16. That's a very good point
Bush's policies started with Reagan, and they have been going on for much longer than 8 years, though the Bush II presidency was the culmination of those policies. My statement was meant to apply specifically to Bush, but I should have been clearer on that point.
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