Mother of Octuplets already has 6 kids under 7yrs!!!....

why did she need 8 more?

Why, if you have a 7,6,5,3 and 2yr old twins do you need fertility treatment? Is she like one of those crazy animal 'collectors' or a fast track Dugger?

According to the article, she lives with her mother and, so far, there's no mention of a proud Papa.

14 children 7 and under - what the fuck was she and the fertility team thinking???!!!


http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-octuplets30-2009jan30,0,6314319.story

"Neighbors said she and her six children -- ages 7, 6, 5, 3 and 2-year-old twins -- live there with her mother. Her marital status is unknown."

the grandmother said..."She acknowledged that raising 14 children is a daunting prospect.

"It's going to be difficult," Suleman added, noting that her daughter's father is going back to Iraq, where neighbors said he worked as a contractor, to help support the expanded family."

could she have gotten the meds over the internet? I just can't imagine a doctor agreeing to that.

stupid doctors. Earlier articles said the mother refused to confirm if there were fertility treatments so I didn't realize there had been an update.

Some even down to middle school were having them, and having one after another. It was mind boggling.

"The woman, who has not been publicly identified, had embryos implanted last year, and "they all happened to take," "

and what the fuck is wrong with whoever implanted those 8 embryos

Doctor must pay for all medical and raising costs of all babies beyond THREE.. If 2 embryos are implanted and one splits into twins, or all 3 embryos implanted, "take", he/she is off the hook...BUT if they implant 4 and all 4 develop, then that doctor has to support and pay for all medical costs of the pregnancy & neonatal care for ALL the babies..

and call me a butt-inski, but anyone with 2 kids under 5 should not be ALLOWED to have invitro...:grr:

How is that family going to support FOURTEEN kids under 8 yrs old?..especially when some of them will surely end up "special needs" kids"

one size fits all doesn't really work. Sometimes implanting four makes sense if the woman is older (late 30s or 40s) because the odds of every one of those embryos being good at that age is ridiculously small. Should a doctor really be blamed for a >1% chance the patient was fully informed of?

honestly you are probably more likely to get identicals from one embryo than to have every embryo be good in an older woman

There was NO medical reason whatsoever to put back more than two (and that's begging the question as to whether fertility treatment was appropriate at all in this case).

But I was replying to the suggestion 4 or more would never be an appropriate medical decision.

What is utterly, insanely wrong with this picture?

Who paid for the fertility treatment?

With lucrative government contracts.

Just a hunch.

One news report mentioned that the gal lives with her parents in a 3 bedroom place. If thats true, that would mean 9 people in a 3 bedroom? Thats a little on the tight side. 17 starts looking even tighter.

I don't know what kind of fertility doctor would put back eight embryos, in a woman her age, and with her history of fertility. I also don't know why a woman with 6 kids already would be wanting more. :crazy:

Maybe she's bucking for her own reality TV show, trying to outbreed the Duggars all by her lonesome. Or she's been watching too many episodes of "Jon and Kate Plus 8".

Any doctor who would agree to implant 8 embryos in a woman who already has six young children is, IMHO, guilty of medical malpractice. And I suspect this young woman has some serious psychological problems that should disqualify her from fertility treatments. Sheesh.

There's some underlying story that hasn't come out yet, I bet.

In a way it is not malpractice, because the desired outcome is achieved.

she had 8 embryos implanted, considering she got six kids already?

For instance, did she has infertility treatment before? Because she's not infertile if she had 6 kids and didn't. Obviously there is an intent to have as many children as possible. So the question is why, and is the doctor in on it?

having to share their parent(s) with 13 other kids. They basically are parenting themselves at that point, aren't they? I know it was common many years ago.. the world was a different place, though.

all born within six years - Irish Quints my mom says lol. It sucked. Let me just tell you - my folks split and mom went through mid life crisis and we basically raised ourselves through the teen years. All of my sibs stuck to two kids. We were so jealous of our cousin who was an only child.

10 years spread. The three oldest had one or two, the two youngest never had any kids at all, the youngest never married.

Our parents had the excuse of ignorance, as there weren't tons of studies showing how much attention and emotional support kids need. The woman has no excuse, unless she's got two or three nannies standing by.

These kids aren't even going to be able to do that, because they're all the same age. And most of them will have special needs for the rest of their lives as a result of being born so prematurely.

:rofl:

basketball team, she went for baseball, soccer, football, and, finally, is only one kid shy of having her own rugby team.

And, I find this highly unethical on the part of the doctor. Eight embryos implanted into a woman who already has six children at home? What in God's name was that MD thinking?

The woman has a right to have as many kids as she wants but... if she's single and has 6 kids under the age of 7 why in the hell would she need fertility treatments? I just don't understand at all.

Now, unless those twins were conceived with fertility help, this lady didn't need any assistance in that department.

I just find it horrible. 14 children under the age of 7? I can't even imagine.

Quick question....With the existing six kids, how many fathers made those kids. One? This is such a wrong story on so many levels. She must be holding out hope for a movie deal. Het, maybe the right wing anti-choice fundies will pay for her upkeep.

This is the dark side of choice.

While I'm a staunch defender of Roe v Wade, I adamantly oppose the right to over breed.

omg, that is bat shit crazy! NO Doctor should ever transfer more than 4. She also refused selective reduction. She is a moron.




The woman, who has not been publicly identified, had embryos implanted (this should be called a transfer) last year, and "they all happened to take," Angela Suleman said, leading to the eight births Monday. "I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful."


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"What do you suggest she should have done? She refused to have them killed," Suleman said as the sound of children could be heard in the background. "That is a very painful thing."

she NEVER should have had any fertility treatment at all. I feel sorry for her kids.


:crazy:

for someone who already has a large number of children to have IVF? Is it really legal for someone to have EIGHT embryos implanted?

Under our system of government, everything that isn't specifically illegal is legal.

Just what does "Pro-Choice" mean to most folks here anyway? Does it refer to a woman's right to do with her own body whatever she wants without outside intervention or legal restraints? Or is "Pro-Choice" a term merely intended to refer a womans right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy if she so "chooses"? Is it a one-way or two-way street?

let's don't confuse choice and insanity.

Yes, a woman can get pregnant if she wants and the right should never be questioned, but this particular situation is not sane.

Her body is to reproductive choice what yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is to free speech. Her 'choice' has caused undue burdens to the rest of us who will inevitably prop up her narcissistic indulgence.

I find it even more difficult to believe they would implant 8 embryos that were created with anonymously donated sperm.

If there is a man in the distant background of this woman's life it could explain her "need" to do this. Some men take great pride in having a brood, even better if a single woman can provide it.


Isn't IVF's cost inhibitory?

this story is odd to say the least.

what is being reported. Her mother says the daughter was obsessed with having children.

no respect for human life.

good luck to her.:wtf:

six children -- ages 7, 6, 5, 3 and 2-year-old twins plus octuplets....my uterus hurts just thinking about that. I'm sure the they're just gushing about it over in Freepland. Pro life! Praise the Lord! If this woman turns out to be a minority watch them change their tune.

where the hell are people's brains? Where?

I'd be happy with one child. That's all I ever wanted.

it doesn't look like the mother is happy with what the daughter was doing.
But apparently the daughter was obsessed with having children.