President Obama, Don't Become Complicit in Their Crimes!

by Cynthia McKinney Page 1 of 2 page(s)

On Thursday, January 29th, I sent President Obama this message:

"Mr. President: The Bush Administration lied to the people in pursuit of war. As a result, at least one million Iraqis and thousands of U.S. soldiers are dead. Thousands more are maimed. The stature of the U.S. is severely damaged. The U.S. Constitution is in shreds after signing statements, wiretaps, and torture. Your obligation is to investigate and bring to justice those who violated U.S. and international law, such as the torture treaty. Failure to do so makes you complicit in their crimes."

On Wednesday, January 28th, I sat in front of the television and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Exactly what I've been saying, myself. But it was coming from an unexpected source: the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture, Manfred Nowak. I wrote down every word. He said that the United Nations has proof that former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld knowingly approved of torture as a policy for the United States. He said that President Barack Obama has a responsibility to investigate and prosecute those who condoned, conducted, or approved of torture.

Further, Jonathan Turley, in an MSNBC interview stated that if Obama fails to investigate or prosecute that he would be an "accessory."

This is significant. It means that all of us, sadly, were right to pursue impeachment of the key figures in the Bush Administration. Impeachment was the Constitutional imperative; but the Constitution didn't mean anything to either the Republican or Democratic national leadership.

more at:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/President-Obama-Don-t-Bec-by-Cynthia-McKinney-090130-654.html

Any and all of our so called leaders who refuse to prosecute those who broke the laws of our nation or trashed our treaties are guilty of aiding and abetting and put themselves in a position to be prosecuted in turn. I personally will not vote for anyone I believe passes on their duty to enforce our laws regardless of who broke them. If Obama fails to go forward with all means of enforcement and prosecution he loses my vote. He and the rest of our leaders owe the citizens of this country and the rest of the world proper closure on this sad and regretful period in our history by proving that we are indeed a nation based on the rule of law.

the gangland-style execution of 5,000 people, or the crime where the Bush administration ordered 9/11?

The message is one thing, but she's like the least credible messenger on Earth. Hitching your argument to her is like saying, "I'm a batshit conspiracy theorist, please disregard any point I may have."

:rofl:

If President Obama and his Democratic majorities in congress allow the criminals of the Bush administration to go free without investigation or trial, then President Obama may turn out to be more competent than Bush, but otherwise no better. If President Obama covers for the criminals of the Bush administration I am sure you will find a way to applaud him, but does it have to be by smearing someone else?

Excuse me, but you have made me :puke:

then, well, I assume you must be quite slim.

You must be a hit a parties (right wing ones)! :rofl:

anyone who doesn't agree with exalted you is right wing. Pathetic.

is praise, indeed. You attack dogs can get as petty and nasty as you like, but anyone who comes back at you with the same is "lame" and "pathetic". What is lame and pathetic is your little DLC tribe and the attack method you use. It is really quite funny watch the mouth-frothing. Better grab a napkin, babe...


(edit for spelling - thanks Occam's B)

Lamb Little Insult loved to frolic in the meadow, eating grass and telling all the other little lambs how coarse and ugly their wool was, and how beautiful and fluffy hers was. Then, one day, she saw Princess Nancy of Pelosi, leader of the DLC Tribe, over on the other side of her meadow, across the fence and up on a big hill...

:hi:

:loveya:

It's easy to call someone crazy if they say something you don't want to imagine to be true.

Somebody convinced McKinney that it happened, and you haven't seen the evidence she was looking at.

You don't explain why she's nuts, but you must have a reason, especially since you're so quick to pounce on this.

Please explain! I'm all ears. However, telling this outrageous story isn't enough in my book. Plenty of people have told truthful but outrageous stories that nobody's believed until too late.

and then left their bodies in a swamp for Katrina to cover? Or, at minimum, you think this a reasonable, sane claim to make without any evidence whatsoever? You believe that the National Guard could murder five thousand prisoners and nobody would even notice they were missing, nor would anybody within the organization leak it out, nor would any evidence of the mass murder ever turn up?

There's a word for people who happily and credulously believe anything people tell them, no matter how implausible or counterfactual: nuts. And frankly, if you actually do think that there is a significant chance her claim is "truthful but outrageous," you're nuts too.

curious...

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

It is an ad hominem attack to call me crazy when I've done nothing but ask you to explain your logic.

Then you put words in my mouth.

I never said that I believed McKinney's story. I said that her telling it was not enough for me to think she was insane.

This is because I don't know what evidence she was presented with or who it was presented to her by.

So it seems that you're calling her crazy simply because she dares to repeat a story that you find inconceivable. While the story is improbable, you don't know whether it's true.

But you attack her and you attack anyone who questions you, a little too quickly, I might add, as if you had nothing else to do all day.

Did you read the damn post ?
Or is your bigotry and bias just livin' large ?

Who in your estimation should be speaking this brave woman's words for her ?
Some asshat middle of the road compromise-clown ?

would be a better spokesperson, yes.

What are the "bigotry" and "bias" you refer to? Surely you are not attempting to play the race card, because that would be hilarious. Nah, you're probably just claiming it's "bigoted" to suggest that facts are more trustworthy than conspiracy theories. After all, everyone's opinion is equal!

Lots of backwards letters and cheetos fingerprints to boot...

:rofl:

Not too far from the truth either.

about what a phucking mess this country was in. And just like the rest of us liberals, she was called a "nut", a "conspiracy theorist" and a trouble-maker. She's been right about everything, and someday it will all be proven.

about Katrina, and she was right on the money.

I'm asking you directly if that direct, unambiguous claim is true or not.

And, women who speak up always get more vitriol. Badge of honor.

dumped their bodies in the swamp, using Katrina to cover up the crime is a metaphor?

and the story was ignored for years.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090105/thompson/single

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/19/katrinas_hidden_race_war_in_aftermath

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10600127?source=rss

http://wcbstv.com/national/Hurricane.Katrina.New.2.277570.html

I really have no interest at all in defending Cynthia to you.

"then left those people in the swamp in the hopes that the rains and storm surge of Katrina would cover up the bodies."

They are entirely different claims.

She should STFU.

"And I have verification from insiders who wish to remain anonymous at the Red Cross that this is true."

Personally, I'm glad she told us now instead of forty years from now, or never, which is when most pols admit their knowledge of sensitive information, and yes I'm sure there are "national security reasons" why this hasn't been publicly acknowledged elsewhere.

They still haven't straightened out their local records, that is the ones that weren't "lost" in the hurricane, so it's entirely possible that the truth won't surface for decades, if ever.

the McKinney crowd?

or maybe at DU?

dodge it...

not prosecuting former Bush officials is grounds for removal from office.

So no doubt McKinney will propose it.

Only a moron would suggest that anyone would make that suggestion. See how that works?

By the way, you aren't waiting on the bus with a box of chocolates, are you?

Yes, I know that most people preferred to ladle around the turd in the inaugural punch bowl. But that doesn't mean it wasn't floating and bobbing around there the whole time.

Obama's http://www.talkingimpeachment.com/blog/Hall-of-Shame-Inductee----Barak-Obama.html">years-long, impeachophobic, tacit approval of torture was and remains a war crime in itself.

All this talk of "responsibility" rings pretty hollow to those unable to ignore the reality of this.

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We will see what Mr. Obama is made of with this very issue. K&R, kpete.

I would have a hard time believing her if she said the sky is blue.

frothing at the mouth every time...

they have more love for Bush than they do for Cynthia

at the same time. One position has nothing to do with the other.

He gets dismissed in the same manner. I see the usual names: loon, nut, mental case...

I've been observing this ever since McKinney became the first to call for Bush's impeachment.

Which is also irrelevant to whether Cynthia McKinney is an unhinged blowhard.

Same goes for Cindy Sheehan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sifU1d9lI0U

:rofl:

That's what it comes down to. Absolutely.

It's a no-brainer ... or, a no-souler.

Sadly, Obama has been a failure in both departments.

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in Iraq by ahem, "friendly fire"? If Bushler was crazy enough to take out a freaking football hero just for badmouthing his trumped-up war on terra -- no doubt Tillman's calls home had been "intercepted" -- why would anybody think he wouldn't approve the mass killing of Louisiana prisoners, or any of the other atrocities we know he's guilty of?

Pentagon, Army hid details of Pat Tilman's death from the public

The first Army investigator who looked into the death of former NFL player Pat Tillman in Afghanistan last year found within days that he was killed by his fellow Rangers in an act of "gross negligence," but Army officials decided not to inform Tillman's family or the public until weeks after a nationally televised memorial service.

Soldiers on the scene said they were immediately sure Tillman was killed by a barrage of American bullets as he took shelter behind a large boulder during a twilight firefight along a narrow canyon road near the Pakistani border, according to nearly 2,000 pages of interview transcripts and investigative reports obtained by The Washington Post.

The documents also show that officers made erroneous initial reports that Tillman was killed by enemy fire, destroyed critical evidence and initially concealed the truth from Tillman's brother, also an Army Ranger, who was near the attack on April 22, 2004, but did not witness it.

http://www.naturalnews.com/007712.html

are you actually suggesting that we "know" Bush is guilty of ordering the execution and cover-up of 5,000 prisoners?

Who, may I ask, are the prisoners who were executed? Wouldn't that mean that 5,000 prisoners were lost to the system? Or, if they were "erased" from the registries, wouldn't that mean there were 5,000 families wondering where their brothers, fathers, and sons went?

And that's what McKinney was suggesting. As for any executed prisoners, as I mentioned above, many Louisiana law enforcement records were "lost" or disrupted by the hurricane and have yet to be restored, in classic Bushler convenient incompetence fashion. As for the families, many former New Orleans residents are still searching for missing relatives. Who are they going to ask, anyway? Blackwater?

She claimed directly that the National Guard executed 5,000 people and covered it up. Without any evidence whatsoever, nor with anyone to back up her claim. That claim needs not be "investigated" any more than that primary-season claim that Obama had a gay cocaine orgy with some toothless hick in a limo.

"Some people are searching for missing relatives" is not adequate evidence for the claim, as it says nothing about five thousand missing prisoners. Five thousand is a lot of people. That's more people than died in 9/11. Really, do you think it's reasonable that not one person but Cynthia has any evidence of such an enormous operation?

what's the point of continuing the conversation? I don't know what your aim is but you're making a fool of yourself.

and covered it up by hiding the bodies in a swamp. Not, mind you, a claim that maybe some people were killed, or that prisoners were lost and we should investigate. Provide a sane context for the claim that it actually happened that the National Guard executed 5000 people and hid the bodies in a swamp.

although she may have, so if you really want to discuss this please provide a link to the actual video clip and not some account of it, thanks.

and since the only military in the area was the Army National Guard, then there we go. She states that she got this information in a phone call, and that she has "verification from insiders in the Red Cross."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgu5Q4wpEj4&eurl

What kind of person believes and repeats as credible anything and everything she hears? Ah, yes. A credulous nut.

theory that there was some secret black-ops force that ran in to execute prisoners gangland-style and dump their bodies in the swamp.

I'm not going to bother asking why because I don't really give a flying fig.

She claimed it was ordered by the DoD, and that the action was logged by the Pentagon. The Army National Guard was the only military organization in the area. I am actually giving her the benefit of the doubt by mentioning the ARNG; any other alternative is even more insane.

She made no such claim. She never mentioned the National Guard. Link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgu5Q4wpEj4&eurl

Not to kick a dead horse here, but who's being making up horseshit?

and the National Guard is well known to have been the only DoD organization in the area at the time.

She says the man's "charge by the DoD was to process 5,000 bodies that had received a single bullet wound to the head." She doesn't say the DoD or anyone else ordered or carried out the executions.

You need to listen to what she says and stop catapulting bullshit.

She repeated a claim to that effect third-hand (heard from a mother of a supposed witness), which she absolutely should not have done. A terrible moment for one of the most courageous and truthful heroes of American politics, someone with 400 million times the cojones of those who defame and attack.

But NOW, she is not repeating this claim, and it has NOTHING to do with the letter she wrote to Obama, which is mainly about the aggressive war launched on Iraq and the practice of torture, and whether anyone is to be held accountable for these high crimes, or if instead Obama will allow justice and the rule of law to be rendered into a joke.

Her naive moment repeating an impossible claim is nothing, NOTHING, compared to the cover-fire you now provide for Rumsfeld and the other mass murderers.

You haven't said a word about that, and I bet in 2002-3 you were among the many, many cheerleaders on the Democratic side for the war of aggression and genocide launched by the Bush regime against the people of Iraq.

Stop the ad hominem, speak on the question:

Should President Obama allow an investigation of Rumsfeld & co.?

McKinney says in the clip that she had verification from within the Red Cross:

"The data about these individuals was entered into a Pentagon computer and then reportedly the bodies were dumped in a swamp in LA. This is as a result of the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina. And I have verification from insiders who wish to remain anonymous at the Red Cross that this is true."

So whether or not the mother's claim is accurate, it appears that McKinney checked it out and received some verification that it is. And knowing what we know about 911, why do you think it's so impossible?

That's what they do. They ask "questions" like:

Is Obama a muslim?
Are Democrats terrorists?
and
Did Bill Clinton kill 50 people?

They say they aren't suggesting anything, that they're just investigating the question but that's not true is it?

Stupid claims are stupid claims no matter which side they come from and I'm afraid to say 5000 prisoners were murdered and covered up is a stupid claim. She wasn't talking about the missing from New Orleans. It was specific, I've seen the video. 5K prisoners murdered and hidden in a swamp. Should we investigate that? I don't think it's worth our time when there are actual missing people and families who deserve the truth. People who may have been murdered by Blackwater in the confusion and complete lack of oversight. Crap like se brought up just distracts from the real issue and makes everyone else talking about real issues look dumb. She hurt the cause she was fighting for because she didn't think about what she was saying.

That's my problem with McKinney. You need to think before you speak and while she had a good start I think she fell in love with the sound of her own voice and role as a shit disturber\speaker of forbidden truth.

and yes, murdering US citizens in cold blood is a real issue. So let's give hurricane victims as much attention as we give Obama's pastor, birth certificate, private conversations and all the other noise the cable companies charge us to watch.

Direct quotation from McKinney. And your problem with that is?

save her rambling.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, there's only one why to clear things up, and that's to launch a full investigation and not stop until every life of every New Orleans citizen, resident, or prisoner has been accounted for. If we have the technology to eavesdrop on every phone conversation and e-mail in the entire country, I think we could assemble a database of N.O. hurricane victims.

I think the government needs to investigate you. Why are you opposed to investigating? The cat's out of the bag; what are you hiding?

to sue you for slander. But since you're an anonymous internet catapulter, you have as much credibility as the rest of them.

It was a waste of time to investigate them. That's what I'm saying, 5 minutes thinking about it or on the Google and you are done. No need to send investigators or spend time on the already content thin national news.

They are stupid claims. Just like 5K dead prisoners executed by the national guard and dumped into a swamp.

Cynthia McKinney hurt any search into real wrongdoing with her credulous and frankly dumb call for investigation into an event that was obviously urban legend. She didn't spend 5 minutes on the internets looking into it because it fit what she wanted to believe.

Just like a Fox viewer. Same person, different side.

screaming at Obama every chance she gets. Watch.

Why in the world would the president of the United States take any advice from her?

They grabbed a Congresswoman going to work -- and it is expected of them that they know all the Congressmembers. She pushed back, FOX-type media turned it into "assault" and broadcast lies about it around the clock, and the likes of you led the cheering.

Thanks to assassination by media, nowadays they might not have had to shoot Martin Luther King -- this kind of low-level smear seems to do very well.

but not the other.

What's up with that?

and used Hurrican Katrina to cover it up. Maybe I am missing something?

Surely that *at least* matches anything McKinney has ever said.

but then you knew that, didn't you?

:shrug:

Tim Russert's cowardly smear-job outlasts him.

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