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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:52 PM
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Florida may not get desired stimulus funds because they cut funding to schools.
I just read about an interesting twist in the stimulus plan funds for Florida.

The state may not qualify for the money because the Legislature has cut its schools budget too much.

Florida leaders counting on more than $3.5 billion from a massive federal stimulus package to shore up the state's education budget learned Thursday there could be a catch. The state may not qualify for the money because the Legislature has cut its schools budget too much.

The U.S. House of Representatives passed an $819 billion economic-recovery plan Wednesday. Under that bill, money in a special "state stabilization fund" would go only to states that could fund schools for the next two years at the levels they had in the 2005-06 school year.

But the state is below that threshold. In fact, school funding coming directly from the state is now lower than it was in the 2004-05 school year. With Florida's budget shortfall for next year ballooning toward $4 billion, it's not clear it could meet that requirement.


Alcee Hastings is working to get the stimulus language changed. I don't see anyone mentioning funding the schools better. :shrug:

I have a lot of reservations about how my state's tax money for education is being spent.

More than two years ago, the state stopped giving tuition vouchers to students who wanted to leave failing public schools for private school. Since then, Florida's other two programs that pay private-school tuition for disabled kids or poor children have grown by 21 percent and 65 percent respectively. Today, 42,000 Florida students attend private school on the public's dime. And a new study touting voucher benefits could trigger more expansion.

Why is the number growing? As more people learn about the programs, more sign up. Low-income families are thrilled they can afford to find a school that meets their children's needs. Why are these 2 programs still allowed?

..."A 1999 lawsuit that challenged vouchers targeted only Opportunity Scholarships, offered to students at public schools that had received two F grades in a four-year period. The Florida Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to do that.

But no one has fought the two other programs in court. The state's teachers union, one group that sued to kill Opportunity Scholarships, isn't planning to go after those two because of the cost and time involved. Critics argue the court ruling should apply to all three programs because they are so similar. But the Supreme Court justices noted it would be improper to make that assumption.


Someone recently asked me if things were really that bad in Florida. Sometimes it seems that way. I just post what I read, hear, and feel.


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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 12:54 PM
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1. LOL
That's some interesting karma for the NCLB nuts.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:06 PM
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2. Hastings' proposal
"U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, D- Miramar, tried to help Florida before the House vote, filing an amendment that would allow the education secretary to give states a free pass when it comes to the funding requirements. The language was tailored to fit Florida; a waiver would be granted due to "exceptional or uncontrollable circumstances such as . . . a precipitous decline in the financial resources of the state," according to the legislation.

But the amendment was rejected. His staff said Hastings is working to include the language in future negotiations. U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., is shopping his own proposal."

That argument should not really fly for Florida more than any other state, IMO
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:08 PM
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3. Another twist....
I read this this morning, worth noting:

Article published Jan 28, 2009
CAPITOL NEWS
Governor restores funding for education, public safety
By Jim Ash and Bill Cotterell
FLORIDA CAPITAL BUREAU

http://floridacapitalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090128/CAPITOLNEWS/901280344

Risking the wrath of legislators, Gov. Charlie Crist on Tuesday used his line-item veto power to reverse $90.9 million in spending cuts and $273.6 million in diversions from trust funds.

Crist praised lawmakers for their hard work, but said he didn't agree with all of their decisions.

"Reducing these programs and services I believe would have negatively impacted the people of the state," Crist said. "That's why I'm preserving them today."

Crist signed most of the lawmakers' $1.2 billion in spending cuts, but said he was compelled to "resurrect" education, public safety, environmental and social-service programs. Lawmakers left about a $300 million buffer in their package, money that was available for Crist to redirect.

The restorations included $28.9 million in education cuts, including the revival of a popular program that pays bonuses to teachers who earn national board certification. Crist also restored $821,000 to the Florida School for the Deaf and Blind.

....

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:27 PM
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5. Ah, thanks, I missed that.
I had heard he might do that.

:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:02 PM
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6. From what I can figure..won't get funding up enough to qualfy.
From the article I posted we are back to pre 2004-05 school year funding. Long way back from that.

This is 2009...and a long way to go. But it will make Charlie look very good and the GOP legislators very bad. Suits me.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:07 PM
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7. Agreed. Suits me, too.
Charlie's been bucking a lot lately.:popcorn:
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 01:19 PM
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4. My daughter was in tenth grade when I was considering moving to FL..
Educators (both NJ and FL) urged me to wait until she graduated. Football players with grades in the C-D area always knew they could get into a Florida college. Very low educational standards, the schools always come last, golf courses come first...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 03:20 PM
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9. Problems with priority.
I agree.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 02:16 PM
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8. GOP's Putnam says FL not getting enough of the pork laden pie.
The GOP really truly hates this bill, but they surely do want their share of it. Pure irony.

Stimulus Formula Discounts Florida, GOP Says

While uncertain as to the all the exact reasons, critics say various formulas being used to calculate a state's allocation might be skewing what fast-growing Florida would get if better, up-to-date population numbers were used to calculate the state's share.

A drop since 2006 in the state funding Florida provides its schools and universities also could cost Florida billions of dollars in the rescue package.

"The truth is that on a per capita basis Florida is getting a smaller share of this pork-laden pie than just about any other state," complained GOP Rep. Adam Putnam of Bartow.

Putnam and others point to a Wall Street Journal analysis of key funding categories in the House bill.

The newspaper's analysis found that Florida's allocation of $1.9 billion in transportation-infrastructure money would be the second-lowest among states in terms of dollars per capita ($108.03) - with North Carolina being lower by one cent.

By comparison, the analysis showed California would receive $4.4 billion ($121.26 per capita); New York, $3.39 billion ($173.94 per capita); and Texas, $3 billion ($125.48 per capita) in transportation-infrastructure money.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 03:25 PM
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10. Howdy Doody Putnam can kiss my a$%
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 03:25 PM by JCMach1
He is a damn big part of the problem...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 06:48 PM
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11. He's really hurt this state.
He parroted the Bush policy talking points until he didn't even need notes.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:22 PM
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12. Can't resist Jim Morin cartoon.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:51 PM
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13. Fuck em...
they deserve it. Schadenfreude, thy name is Florida!
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:56 PM
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14. Arizona will be in that boat too, I'm afraid.
The idiot leg just cut $133 million from K-12 funding and $150 million from the Universities. Next year it will be about $900 million for K-12. Obviously, Arizonans don't value education; the budget negotiators are positively hostile.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:40 AM
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15. I think many other states might be as well.
School funding is easiest to cut it appears.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:48 AM
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16. Things are really that bad. The problem is, Florida's been hit hard
by the mortgage crisis. There are rumors of school closings here in Brevard County.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 03:11 PM
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17. I am reading of more school closings lately.
School population dropping.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 10:56 AM
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20. And this cuts the property tax income for those states to run the schools.
I think Minnesota is also talking cuts to education. Many of us are opposing the cut but you never know. The one way out of this whole mess (economic, oil depletion, global warming) is to educate these kids so they can see the way through.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 07:39 AM
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18. The reason that the GOP is pushing vouchers?
In Pinellas, the number of private schools is the lowest since 2000 (107 vs. high of 138 in 04), and the enrollment in private schools is the lowest number and percent in a decade. Many parents cannot afford it, while the magnet and fundamental school offerings are eating into the private school domain. The repubs count on those church schools and parents for votes; and they will continue to pay them off with vouchers unless another court battle kills it. If you're in NEA / AFT, be sure and give them a call.
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buzzycrumbhunger Donating Member (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 07:49 AM
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19. Whilst I'm relieved my youngest is finally free
. . . from FL's public school system, it appears that it won't lessen the way this state makes us suffer.

And yes, I think things really are that bad here. I'm kicking myself daily because I didn't have a clue where to move and missed the opportunity to sell out and run back when our property values were increasing 20-30% every stinkin' month. Now, I feel like I'll be stuck here forever--and still no clue where I really belong, other than knowing FL isn't it. :(
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:05 AM
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21. Where did you move here from? I moved to Florida from Ohio
20 years ago. The area in Ohio that I moved from was liberal, but since then it's become fairly conservative. Still, I can't help but notice that Floridians are, in general, far less educated than people back home. I also wish that I could escape, but with all the "for sale" signs in my area that simply isn't possible. I really hope that neither of us is stuck here forever!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 03:52 PM
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26. Where in Ohio did you move from?
I moved from the Cleveland OH area to South Dakota a few years ago. It almost makes me cry whenever I go back to OH (like this past Christmas) to see how bad it's getting, worse every day.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 04:05 PM
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27. I moved from Clintonville in Columbus (North of OSU) but I've also lived
in the Cleveland Heights area. My hometown barely changed throughout my childhood and early adulthood, and now I hardly recognize it. :-(
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Optimistic Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:34 PM
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22. I live in a Republican State That
Only cares about Millionaire right Wing Wacko's who hope poor and minorities die.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:37 PM
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23. So states that make budget cuts are punished, while states that borrow to keep
funding while their revenue goes down are rewarded?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:42 PM
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24. States that REFUSE to have a state income tax, should be exempt..
It's about helping yourself first, and asking for help AFTER you use your tax money..
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 02:10 PM
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25. Arizona just cut $130 million from schools
and $141 from universities. Meanwhile they just made a 3-year property tax cut permanent which costs the sate over $250 million/year.

I have not checked the 2005-2006 funding levels to see if that provision will affect us.


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