Can we please cut the crap here about the California mother!

If reports can be believed, she had 6 kins under eight years of age. She wanted, and got fertility treatments. Did the Doc ask why? Maybe she didn't like the kids she had and wanted to try again???? Did the Doc concern him/herself with the medical implications of having more kids and especially the risk of having multiple kids?

I guess I have an old fashioned philosophy about this stuff. Have as many children as you want but be sure you can support them financially and emotionally. If this was an accidential pregnancy, I can respect her decision although it would not have been mine. But if she asked for this, she needs counselling and her Doc needs a brain.

Now I will duck and cover!

PS: And please, don't raise the Duggers...they are a sideshow supported by the MSM. There is no way any human being can give that many children the nurture they need. It would be like being born into a boot camp.

I think this woman wanted all the attention and the $$$~!

I see her. (That show I watch during the comemrcial breaks of the real shows I watch.)

Sounds like a fun way to spend otherwise wasted commercial air time! In So Cal we have all these casinos advertising ad nauseum with heinous music! Ugh!

But I digress... :)

on the net and they're a cottage industry. "It's all for Jesus".

http://www.duggarfamily.com/

Something to do with a shoe.............

The only reason I can come up with is that the mother will get more $$ from the state/federal government, the more children she has.

As far as why the physician complied with her wishes - who knows? Maybe she lied to him, maybe she paid him well. Not all physicians are ethical.

By the AMA.

This woman was not infertile. Treating her for infertility is malpractice.

and by the way contributions from people who think it's 'cool' somehow. Stuff like this sends thoughts of retroactive abortion into the back of my mind.

other DU'ers have posted interviews with professionals in the field and what that doctor did was highly unethical.

in my late 30's. I had a kid. This was Harvard Health in Boston, a good organization. I was told that I had to get 6 weeks of "counselling" before they would allow it. Go figure!

the long descent into a pure state of Idiocracy makes for fascinating conversation.

forum that usually doesn't exist?

All sorts of interesting ethical and legal issues arise from it. There is no easy answer.

try to understand her mindset.

Was she jealous of the Duggar's and thought she would get all kinds of freebies?

I read she was an employee of a fertility clinic.

You don't go bankrupt, move into a 2 bedroom home with other family members and expect to be able to feed anyone beyond the 6 kids you've got. Having in vitro and hoping for a 7th is irresponsible. The woman must be mentally unstable.

I think it's the want part that is the trouble. Over population is a real problem. While a person might personally be able to support this many kids, there is no way the planet ecosystem as a whole can support human's continuing to make these type of choices.

Ronald Reagan, I suspect they are running low on serious issues.

OPs/threads on DU focusing on if this mother is on PA, or should have had selective abortion(s). I do not view it as an issue that justifies the negative things that I've read on those threads. I'm not sure that the number of children a person has is reason to evaluate if they should be eligible for PA. I found your OP to be a fair statement on the issue, and hence responded.

Those of us in the medical professions can see this for what it is, and THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW (hell, there probably already is wrt guidelines for infertility treatments).

I think discussing medical ethics is fine. Please don't attribute things to me that I did not say, okay?

very expensive procedure because she is already FERTILE, geez having 6 other kids and all. Even Kaiser would not have done it, it's not their policy. She went there to have them but I'm sure there is some other part of the puzzle as to what clinic did the implantation.

Somebody is fronting the money for this expensive endeavor to a family who recently filed for bankruptcy and lost a home in L.A. I agree totally with another poster on another thread that the plan might have been to sell the babies. I have a feeling the entire family is going to disappear soon.

Raising several frightening scenarios.

there is no way those children will get what they need as far as parenting goes.


beyond a crying shame.

For example, it was just revealed that she works in a fertility clinic.

Did her own clinic treat her? And, if so, assuming they knew of her situation (single mother of six) was it right of them to give her treatments that could (and did) lead to so many children?

Or, even more frightening, did she somehow treat herself? And, if so, are we going to have to look more closely at how fertility clinics are run?

Now I think there are many questions to be answered.

And I feel sorry for those babies.

But unless we're prepared to adopt a means test for how many kids someone can have, I'm not sure what we can do about it.

Ted Kennedy was one of nine siblings. His family had lots of money and they all were well taken care of.

Someone who is scraping by on welfare with nine kids may not be able to provide for them. But the idea of saying that there is a means test for how many kids someone is allowed to have is pretty tricky. Obviously, if children -- whether there is one or eleven -- are being raised in conditions that put them at significant risk of physical or severe emotional trauma -- the state needs to intervene.