Death to Capitalism!

Seeing the protests in Europe has truly inspired me, to the point where I feel envious of them, and pissed off that we don't have this sort of energy here in the US on a massive scale. Oh how I would love to march down the main city streets with tens of thousands of my neighbors. How I would love to scale the walls of some corporate CEO's mansion, and watch as they cower in fright at the sight of thousands of pissed off angry workers who have been abused for far too long.

These motherFUCKERS are getting multi-million dollar bonuses while denying their employees a fair living wage, decent health coverage, and other benefits. Then they have the fucking NERVE to go to Congress and ask for MORE money. For WHAT. So they can continue to rake in more PROFIT while figuring out new ways to fuck over their workforce so they can save even MORE money? So they can decide the best way to outsource as many jobs as possible to places like China, India, Bangladesh, where they can exploit the workers even MORE?

This type of capitalism needs to DIE. Power should be in the hands of the workers. TAKE IT BACK.

Love it...

America needs to be rebuilt with employee owned companies. corporate CEOs, executive management and boards of directors need to be housed with their fellow Gitmo terrorists on Alcatraz Island where Nancy Pelosi can keep track of them. :evilgrin:

from a couple of repugs

interesting

my evil rethug relatives I have disowned in my mind.

the mansions of the capitalists worked out. Money says you wouldn't be the FIRST one over the wall though.

Otherwise, move to Europe where you can feel like part of the crowd.

taking pot shots at the workers.

(I steped over the line on that last comment and deleted it. m apologies)

:rofl:

In your heart of hearts, do you really, REALLY believe that I'd take "pot shots" at people I didn't know? I don't think you do. I don't think you believe I'd shoot at anyone I didn't know, who didn't approach me with bad intent. I don't think you believe that. Not in your heart of hearts.

Really.

That's the difference. That's what I read into your posts.

On Dec. 5, 2008, more than 200 recently fired workers at the Republic Window and Doors factory in Chicago occupied their plant, demanding that they be paid their vacation and severance checks. The occupation ended victoriously six days later, when the Bank of America and other lenders to Republic agreed to pay the workers the approximately $2 million owed to them.

But the workers didn't stop there. They are now seeking ways to restart the factory and potentially operate it as a worker-run cooperative. The workers are also filing charges against their former employer for failing to give the workers sufficient notice of plans to shut down the factory -- the workers were given only three days' notice, and the management refused to negotiate with the workers' union about the closure.

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/120188/firing_the_boss:_the_man_who_organized_chicago's_factory_takeover_speaks_out/

This sort of lilly-livered cowardice is why TPTB get to roll over us at will!

So proud this is what we're made of. Meanwhile, the land we named our fries after, with the exception of Shock and Awe, is populated by brave people who know how to stand up against the bullshit. Meanwhile, the American response to the outrage is rather... Comme ci, Comme ça.

It won't be because of cowardice though. It'll be because of complacency.

You talk a good game. Are you going to be one of the people who martyr themselves in the name of the cause? I doubt it, no matter how brave you think yourself to be.

Let's be realistic here. You can call me a coward until the cows come home. Your frantic exclamations of support for "popular revolt" will never, NEVER bring said revolt an inch closer to fruition because of anything YOU have done, written, or proclaimed. Nor will they prove me to be the coward you proclaim me to be.

I've earned an Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal.

Oh, by the way? Lily has ONE L, unless you're accusing me of being an employee of Ely Lilly.

Man, you sir are a very poor student of history.

Popular revolt has been the long sordid tradition of this nation. MLK and Maalcom X both led popular revolts and were put down.

Oh, and people who lead them don't "martyr themselves". They have their lives TAKEN from them. But that's mainly cause you're attacking the issue FROM THE RIGHT.

ANd having a medal handed to you by the armed forced don't make you brave. It's much easier to follow orders than it does to say "no". Following orders and doing the bidding of the bosses doesn't make you brave.

"frantic exclamations of support for 'popular revolt' will never, NEVER bring said revolt an inch closer to fruition because of anything YOU have done, written, or proclaimed. Nor will they prove me to be the coward you proclaim me to be."

As one who had "earned an Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal", I expect more of you than: "Otherwise, move to Europe where you can feel like part of the crowd." In fact, I expect someone of your calibre to lead me, rather than depending on anything I have done, or will do.

I'm right behind you, soldier. By your command.

I'd advocate participation in the democratic process. I'd make it necessary for people to vote. I'd give a few dollars tax break to every qualified voter who showed up at the polls. I wouldn't penalize anyone for not voting, but I'd reward those who do.

And I wasn't a soldier, I was a Sailor.

Do it yourself.

I've fought the bosses many of times and lost my job and home becuase of it. I've gotten turned in even by my own fellow co workers for union organizing or trying to get people to aggree to strike.

It's ugly business and takes a lot. But every single fucking dent counts.

wow, you did everything you were told to do and never questioned anybody or anything. how heroic!

revolution is not for sissies or for armchair "advisors" who believe uprising will only disturb their own shallow worldview or comfortable lifestyle. I imagine that in the 1770s you would also be telling people not to bother to "martyr" themselves.

I've seen others, and am glad to have been with shoulder-to-shoulder, do things in the aftermath of Katrina that were nothing short of heroic in light of the tragedy. You saw the best and worst in people come out. Is the individual you are responding to capable of doing something such as becoming a martyr? I don't know, but I also wouldn't bet my life that he would not do something extraordinary in extreme situations either, especially for those he loves.

We're further left than the US, but/and (mostly) not stupid.

divide the country, and pit one "class" of society against another.

The corporations can only "deny" their employees decent health coverage because of the acceptance by most people in this country that health care should be a perk provided by the corporations, rather than a responsibility of government to provide for the common welfare.

The corporations can only "deny" their employees a fair, living wage because the public has accepted their concept of so-called "free trade". We do NOT have free trade. What we have are corporate cartel agreements designed to PREVENT competition and the nebulous concept called "free trade". There is nothing at all "free" about world trade. NAFTA, the World Trade Organization (WTO), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank are all corporate sponsored trade organizations designed to carve up the world into private medieval territories for exploitation.

Up until now, the middle class in this country has seen itself as a privileged class apart from "workers", and that they have a special place in the heart of corporate executives. Some of them are beginning to see that that assumption is naive to say the least. When more of the middle class wake up to their abandonment by the corporate elite, we may see some change in the way this country is run.

If you want to get really upset, read some of the posts about the "devil" corporation that is worse than Big Oil: Monsanto Corporation.

There was an article about Monsanto in last year's Vanity Fair Magazine. This company is responsible for some of the worst pollution on the planet, and they are trying to take over agriculture using "shock and awe" tactics against farmers, dairies, and others that produce our food.

The article can be found at http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/monsanto200805

Can I join?

question is: in what world do we want to live, and by what route can we come closer to that ideal?

It is very unlikely that the world most of us want can be obtained by scaling the walls of mansions. And of course, that is not at all what is occurring now in France, where citizens are merely demonstrating to their politicians the dissatisfaction, organization, and commitment of the population; the demonstrations are associated with political groupings that actually have practical agendas

Any effective movement for change has an enormous political dimension. The political analysis and organizing required to end apartheid in South Africa, for example, probably played a much larger role, than the armed groups did, exerting pressure for fundamental changes

Whatever tactics one adopts, the tactics and the perception of the tactics have political repercussions: the political effect of scaling mansion walls would likely to resemble the political effect of the 9/11 attacks

In what world do we want to live? How can we move closer to that world? There are dreams, and there are realities -- and so there are realistic dreams, and there are pure fantasies. Whatever we actually DO becomes part of the real world, independent of our dreams -- and so the methods we adopt in attempting to reshape the world according to our desire largely determine the world we actually get

There is only Capitalism. The tactics and stratagems used by the capitalists at any given time are what are most profitable at the moment. "Regulated Capitalism" is something they tolerate only until they are able to subvert it, and they will always seek to, because that's where the most profits lie. The history of the New Deal is perfectly illustrative of this.

Fuck their mansions, what we want from them is the factories and the land, the means of production. All will follow after that.

That they can execute these acts of public theft time and again with naught but muted bluster from our so-called public servants shows that the government is not ours but theirs. There is no redress within the system.

Yes, Capitalism must die, it's that or our utter ruination, but ya gotta really kill it. No slap on the wrist, no time out and be assured, they will fox an ankle bracelet. Get out the meat cleaver, today's pig is tomorrow's bacon.

Unregulated Capitalism is bad. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Capitalism has served us well when it's well regulated. When it's not is when we have the problems.