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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:04 PM
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Should Obama veto the bill?
Send it back for a better deal? Or am I being naive?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:05 PM
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1. Doubt it, but he should read it very very carefully in case of surprises. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:05 PM
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2. NO!!!
They will work out some kinks in conference, hopefully. And, then we will just have to pass the rest of it as separate bills.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:06 PM
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6. Thanks.
I needed to read something positive. I wish I were more like optimistic like you.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:05 PM
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3. Executive order.
I mean, Bush left him all this power. I say, use it.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:09 PM
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9. hehe....that's tempting, isn't it?
but the shrub was 'wrong-headed' and we don't want to validate in ANY WAY that sort of direction.

(My avatar is an image of the Constitution of the United States of America, after all!) :-)
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:36 PM
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27. Hell ya, Signing Statement - let the next prez undo it if he wants
Show those assholes what unbridled power in the hands of your opposition looks and feels like
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:06 PM
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4. No. Also remember this bill has to be reconciled with the House bill.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:32 PM
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31. BINGO. People need to remember that.
Plus, you can't filibuster a conference report, so it will get better.

Thank God for Nancy Pelosi (did I really just say that?)
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:06 PM
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5. HELL NO, ARE YOU NUTS???
What better deal???? Where are these mysterious votes coming from?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:08 PM
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7. this is Obama's deal
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:10 PM
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11. Isn't it just 58-42% Obama's deal now?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:36 PM
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26. not anymore..
I don't think the Senators even know yet what the bill looks like.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:09 PM
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8. NO. The House and the WH can make changes in Conference
and then you only need 50 in the Senate
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:15 PM
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15. Really?
You only need 50 the 2nd time around in the Senate? That's awesome! I did not know that. Can't they just throw back all the spending they initially had and get rid of a lot of the tax cuts then?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:24 PM
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18. Out of Conference, you only need 50 Senate votes
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:43 PM
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28. Then why are people freaking out?
Isn't it Reid and Pelosi--two Dems--working out the compromise? Surely, it's not going to be the 58-42 split in the end then.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:20 PM
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29. Only people on DU are going nuts. The Democrats just had a Presser
grinning ear to ear. Patty Murphy and Chuck Schumer were thrilled
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:10 PM
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10. Depends on what it ends up as
If it's not going to work, he should definitely veto it. If they're really going to cut school construction and greening federal buildings and some of Reinvestment part of the bill, then he should veto it.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:11 PM
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12. Are you crazy?
He'll sign it. No doubt.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:13 PM
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13. I doubt he'll get anything better.
My advice is that he starts pushing for Stimulus 2.0, coming sometime this summer.

Yep, we're going to have multiple rounds of stimulus. I'll bet that was President Obama's plan to begin with - it's easier to cram stimulus bills down the Rethug's throats if you break it into pieces.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:14 PM
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14. He should veto the Rethugs that are holding it up!!
:sarcasm: If only he would/could. :puke:

The rethugs are defiantly stupid!!!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:16 PM
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16. Signing statements.
Obama should just use the signing statement to put in what he wants and take out what he doesn't want. Chimpy did it all the time.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:32 PM
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21. Ooh. Good idea.
I'm all for the Imperial Presidency.

Just so long as I like the president and approve of his policies.
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leeman67 Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:35 PM
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25. A-fucking-men!
then let's sit back and watch the Repugs gnash their teeth with outrage that someone has the nerve to act like they would.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:18 PM
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17. no
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:30 PM
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19. No, sign it and immediately demand a supplemental stimulus bill
Perhaps in the Senate they could take the spending that was cut from this bill and fold it into the FY budget resolution, which is not allowed to be filibustered.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:31 PM
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20. YES!!! And Often!!!
It ultimately is not going to do what we need the economy to do: put people back to work.
It is going to give those already in the 'middle class' (read: Pelosi and Reid's contributors) another tax cut.
And not repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.

They're putting Obama in the position to look like the bad guy and be labeled 'the obstructionist' for not signing it,
but IMO he needs to put on the Big Boy Pants & veto it as many times as it takes until they send him the plan he originally wanted.


:mad: :mad:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:33 PM
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22. He may not like all those tax cuts.
It will be interesting to see what he does.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:34 PM
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23. YES! Then let them filibuster, if they dare. Absolutely
This compromising (which is really just pure capitulation) is just utter bullshit and needs to end.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:34 PM
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24. The Democrats should filibuster
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:30 PM
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30. Veto a Senate Bill? Not Constitutionally possible.
Let's see what actually hits his desk before we start talking about a veto as I suspect that a lot of these "compromises" will get fixed in Conference.
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