This stimulus vote is why 2010 is so important.

Dawgs

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:03 AM
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This stimulus vote is why 2010 is so important.

We need to pick up at least 4 seats next year.

Of course, getting rid of Harry Reid would also be nice.

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Bandit

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:18 AM
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1. After watching how ineffective Democrats are in passing good legislation

Why would anyone vote for a Democrat any more? Do you really believe adding four seats will give them courage to stand up for their convictions? They have not demonstrated that courage in more than two decades so why would anyone believe they would start now? While I hate what Republicans stand for I have to admire their courage to stand up for their beliefs.. They always go to the mat for their beliefs.. How I wish Democrats had just half that courage..

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Dawgs

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:27 AM
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4. Then run for office and change the way Democrats work, or quit whining.

Like it or not, getting 60+ Democrats is the ONLY way to make sure Republicans are irrelevant.

Or, we can just complain; like you.

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MineralMan

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:50 AM
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14. Would you rather vote for a Republican?

For pete's sake. Two weeks into the first term of President Obama and you're already trashing Democrats. Boo!

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Bandit

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Sat Feb-07-09 11:53 AM
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18. I have been trashing those that won't stand up for the people or their convictions

a Hell of a lot longer than two weeks..I wonder how much more will be "Off the Table"

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spanone

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:21 AM
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2. in 2006 we won the majority in BOTH houses of congress and it made no difference whatsoever

in 2008 we won the presidency and both houses of congress......same results

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Dawgs

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:31 AM
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6. We didn't win the majority in the Senate. We just had control.

There was no way they could make a big difference with those numbers. We didn't even have 50 Democrats in the Senate after 2006; only 49(including Lieberman).

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eilen

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:33 AM
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7. The infamous eleven Democrats in congress

DINOS. Leopards don't change their spots. Let's see what kind of democrats run first. Hate to say it but its true. History bears out the aforesaid skepticism. Disappointment with such people is what brings the approval rating of Congress down so low.

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Dawgs

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:44 AM
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12. That means we just have to work harder.

This is a very important time for Democrats. We don't need to be giving up now.

The Republcans are still the party of old, rich, white men. As younger people get older they will vote for the party that wants equal rights for all (poor, gay, black, white, etc.).

If we keep fighting we can get the "blue dogs" out, and the real progressives in.

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MasonJar

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:26 AM
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3. Let's try to get the 60 and then we will find out! I am confident that

in 2010 we should pick up Kentucky. If Franken gets in and if Joe stays in the caucus, then that would give us 60 on many issues. 4 or 5 would be better of course, to counter the DINOs.

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ecstatic

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:29 AM
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5. Yeah. And that's why I think we'll see more caution from Obama

Stuff he might have wanted to do right away might have to wait because of how spineless and weak our congressional leadership is. If we can't get things accomplished with our current numbers, then we sure as hell can't afford to lose any seats in 2010!

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Dawgs

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:40 AM
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9. Exactly.

:hi:

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Romulox

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:37 AM
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8. I doubt selling out to the Pukes is going to win many new seats.

:shrug:

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Dawgs

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:42 AM
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10. So, we're giving up after a few weeks?

Sorry, but I have no use for quitters.

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Romulox

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:43 AM
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11. I didn't give up; Harry Reid did. nt

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Dawgs

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Sat Feb-07-09 10:47 AM
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13. Then work to get rid of him.

Complaining about Reid is cop out.

Like it or not, the Republicans have us by the balls. They WANT to be the "no, we can't" party. Every fucking one of them.

So, blaming Reid for the Democrats problems isn't going to help a fucking thing.

I don't know about you, but I'm still happy we control both Congresses and have the Presidency.

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Romulox

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Sat Feb-07-09 11:07 AM
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15. He's selected by his colleagues, not the voters.

:shrug:

"Like it or not, the Republicans have us by the balls. They WANT to be the "no, we can't" party. Every fucking one of them."

That's because "our side" will sell us out in a HEARTBEAT for a pat on the head from the pukes.

"So, blaming Reid for the Democrats problems isn't going to help a fucking thing."

It's a leader's job to lead. Reid is a miserable failure.

"I don't know about you, but I'm still happy we control both Congresses and have the Presidency."

Well, I sure as hell didn't vote for John fucking McCain. :hi:

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Dawgs

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Sat Feb-07-09 11:21 AM
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16. "He's selected by his colleagues, not the voters."

Uh, then try to influence his colleagues. Voting isn't the only way to make a difference.

"That's because "our side" will sell us out in a HEARTBEAT for a pat on the head from the pukes."

They'll only be "selling out" if they have the votes, which they don't. Shit, they could barely get three to support the stimulus bill, even after "selling out".

"It's a leader's job to lead. Reid is a miserable failure."

Agree. We need a leader. But, he can only do so much when 'blue dogs' and Republicans refuse to support a Democratic bill.

"Well, I sure as hell didn't vote for John fucking McCain."

Good. :hi:

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Sat Feb-07-09 11:37 AM
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17. and why we must pay attention to primaries

and only give support to candidates who will be with or to the left of Obama.

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Sat Feb-07-09 11:53 AM
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19. According to 538, of the 10 senate seats most likely to change hands, 9 are GOP seats

Edited on Sat Feb-07-09 11:55 AM by Juche

So those are good odds. Only one is democratic (#6, and it is Reid). Democrats have a decent chance in Florida, NH (esp now that Gregg is gone), Pennsylvania, Kansas, Ohio, Kentucky and a few other states. The only vulnerable dem is Reid, and if he loses or barely wins hopefully it'll be a wakeup call for the democratic senate that they need some principles and courage.

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