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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:13 PM
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Jury Nullification : Peers Refuse to Convict Disabled Vet in Pot Bust
'The Vietnam veteran walks with a cane, has bad knees and feet and says he uses marijuana to relieve body pain, as well as to help cope with post traumatic stress.'

Maybe this is how the war on marijuana ends.

A rural Illinois jury has found one of their peers innocent in a marijuana case that would have sent him to prison. Loren Swift (pictured below) was charged with possession of marijuana with intent to deliver, and he faced a mandatory minimum of six years behind bars.

According to Dan Churney at MyWebTimes , several jurors were seen shaking Swift's hand after the verdict, a couple of them were talking and laughing with Swift and his lawyer, and one juror slapped Swift on the back.

http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/jury-nullification-peers-refuse-to.html
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:15 PM
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1. Good. What's with the intent to deliver? He was using it himself.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. He was delivering to his lungs
:)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Anything over a certain amout is assumed to be for distribution because
they don't think one person can smoke that much.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:30 AM
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81. It's still a legal fiction that could have no bearing in reality.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #81
84. True. Some people smoke a lot, some just horde to ensure a steady supply
during lean times.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. As I understand the practice...
It is an automatic charge that goes with possession; if the stash is in more than one bag or location. If there's nothing found to smoke it with... the additional charge sticks and defendant gets more prison time.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:54 PM
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17. 25 pounds is quite a lot for personal use
:smoke:
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:50 PM
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19. The feds count everything: buds, leaves, stems, stalks, roots AND the dirtballs on the roots ...
... and count every bit of it against you in their calculated weight.

When they busted me, their initial estimate (over 120 pounds) was whittled down to a little over seven pounds of usable pot -- which I was growing for myself and four terminally ill patients -- all of whom died within months of the raid -- in a helluva lot of unnecessary pain.

My thanks to the Illinois jury. It is ALWAYS better to let a jury decide. If you think the feds will negotiate a plea agreement with you honorably, I would dearly love some of what you're smoking.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:10 PM
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20. well, the news story said 25 pounds of marijuana in addition to 50 pounds of plants
I took that to mean that the second category included all the unusable (and not even necessarily illegal) stuff while the first didn't. Could be wrong of course, and one can't know for sure from the story. Either way, though, a quantity like that is bound to draw intent to distribute.

"When they busted me, their initial estimate (over 120 pounds) was whittled down to a little over seven pounds of usable pot -- which I was growing for myself and four terminally ill patients -- all of whom died within months of the raid -- in a helluva lot of unnecessary pain."

That's just :grr:

Props to the jury in this case for having some common sense.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:26 PM
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22. You can see more about my own sad tale at www.saveberniesfarm.com
Read it and weep.

The government is STILL trying to confiscate my 170+ acre farm for that seven pounds of pot, almost seven years after their drug-war pirate raid on my farm.

So far, my case has cost me $600,000 in income (and counting) and over $75,000 in legal and related expenses.

All for pot I was giving away.

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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. wow I had read about you before but did not realize you were here
on DU. It is an honor to blog with you.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. Thanks kindly. This is an excellent internet community, and I'm proud to meet ya'.
I've posted a few threads recently about the serious problems with New Mexico's new medical cannabis program. You might want to visit this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4947184


If any of that interests you, PM me and I can send you more.

Thanks again for your kind words.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #36
61. wow!
That thread you linked is locked and archived already?
:shrug:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #36
87. like you said over at the other thread, "If we never give up we will win."
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 12:15 PM by John Q. Citizen
It truly is a core issue of civilization vs fear and repression.

While the details and facts are numerous, at the center of the entire struggle is self determination and freedom.

Nixon's aide, John Ehrlichman, was interviewed in 1996 by the author of the book "Smoke and Mirrors." During that interview, Ehrlichman said,
"Look, we understood we couldn't make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue for the Nixon White House that we couldn't resist it."\


The war on drugs is being waged to usurp our rights.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #19
40. the feds have made all too many raids in CA...
where the people have voted for medical marijuana (I voted for it on two occasions when I lived there).
My son has had medical pot for some time for his illness (dermatomyositis) yet has seen all of the clubs closed in his area by the feds last year.
He now has to travel into the city via bart. His alternative for his chronic pain due to skin and muscle damage is vicodin. which doesn't work as well, has nasty side effects not to mention highly addictive. The Gov would rather he was addicted and on yet another drug because that is where the money is.

His doctors first suggested pot when he was 15 and going through yet another round of chemo to shut down his immune system, which was attacking his skin and muscles tissue.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #19
46. and both hands on the scales...these nark's and stooges for tobacco are about as crooked
as they come.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #19
47. and both hands on the scales...these nark's and stooges for tobacco are about as crooked
as they come.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #17
38. I've Never Understood The Logic
If we legalize "possession", how can we still justify the prosecution of those who transport, import, grow or distribute? If a product is legal, how could the people who provide said product be "criminals"?
:hippie:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #38
62. and the fedral government even manufactures and distributes marijuana...
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 12:07 AM by wildbilln864
to five people in the US. And busts you or me if I do what they do. :crazy:

Pot Cures Cancer!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:19 PM
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2. Boo yah!
Jury nullifcation is a beautiful thing, and the purest form of democracy that I can think of.

I hope the paper pushing prosecutors enjoy their bowl of crow!!!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:38 PM
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88. I agree. It's the only way justice can be served nowadays. nt
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:19 PM
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3. It's about damn time!
K&R

:patriot:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:22 PM
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5. K&R
:applause: :applause: :smoke: :applause: :applause:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:37 PM
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7. It would be awesome to see juries everywhere do this.
Although I am sure the profit prison system will figure out another way to maintain their slave population. A way that bypasses juries.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:36 AM
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82. In Maryland jury nullification is a Constitutional right.
Our Constitution makes Maryland juries the judges of fact and law. We can find someone not guilty because we don't feel teh burden of proof has been met or we don't believe the law to be just or properly applied. I think every state should have this provision in their Constitution.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:55 AM
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83. Agree that is the way it should be, good on Maryland.
However I was alluding to the recent past where people were being put in prisons without trial or juries. Unconstitutional yes, but that didn't stop them. Not just Gitmo either, refugees as well.

Hopefully the people now in authority are rectifying that...
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #82
91. Right to nullify is grounded in federal case law,
which is a little surprising to me, as it contradicts legal speeches I've heard on fictional shows on TV. But then, you can distort the truth as much as you want in fiction.

from http://www.drugpolicy.org/law/marijuana/jurynull

The right of juries to nullify is grounded in federal case law. The Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to trial by jury in criminal cases. In one notable case, the court concluded that the right to trial by jury included the right to acquit the defendant because it had no sympathy for the government’s position. See: U.S. v. Datcher, 830 F.Supp. 411 (M.D. Tenn. 1993). The jury acts as the “conscience of the community,” and the power to nullify serves to “prevent oppression by the Government.” Id. at 414.

Courts have recognized that a criminal jury has the right to acquit the defendant, regardless of the strength of the evidence. For example, in Horning v. District of Columbia, 254 U.S. 135 (1920), the Supreme Court explained that “The judge cannot direct a verdict.” The jury has the right, the Court continued, “to decide against the law and the facts.” In another case, U.S. v. Trujillo, 714 F.2d 102, 106 (1983), the court recognized that a jury may deliver a verdict that is at odds with the evidence or the law. And in Cargill v. State, 340 S.E.2d 891, 914 (1986), the court recognized that a jury possesses “a de facto power of nullification, i.e., a power to acquit the defendant regardless of the strength of the evidence against him.”

...

3. How do juries find out about this power?

This is the tricky part. Judges and defense attorneys do not have the right to advise the jury about its power to nullify. The United States Supreme Court held that courts are not required to instruct the jury on its nullification power. See Sparf v. U.S., 156 U.S. 51 (1895). This reflects a desire to balance the importance of an ordered system of justice, where communities follow the laws, with the constitutional right of a jury to acquit.

...

The state constitutions of both Maryland and Indiana are explicit about the jury’s right to nullify. Maryland's constitution provides that, "In the trial of all criminal cases, the Jury shall be the Judges of Law, as well as of fact, except that the Court may pass upon the sufficiency of the evidence to sustain a conviction." Indiana's Constitution states that the criminal jury “shall have the right to determine the law and the facts.”
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:39 PM
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8. It is refreshing to see justice sometimes.
With all the crap going on, this made me smile, at least for a few seconds.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #8
85. Good. I'm also boycotting Kellogg
for dropping Phelps. Had to tell my kid to put the Special K with strawberries back on the self. They can keep their $4 cereal.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:40 PM
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9. Awesome, truly great news! K&R nt
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:44 PM
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10. The mandatory minimum sentences benefit nobody but private for-profit prisons.
Because the more people they can pack into their prisons, the more money they get from the state and federal government. The result is they lobby to pass ludicrous laws like this.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. No, they also benefit politicians up for re-election
Because if you oppose them, the first pedophile or gangbanger who commits a crime after a shorter sentence gets hung around your neck for the rest of your career.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. It all works together
The M$M convince us that crime is rampant, the political consultants convince the pols we want tough sentencing because the M$M convinced us crime was rampant, the corporations profit. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
34. Look up prison industries.
Inmates work for pennies an hour, sometimes at dangerous/toxic jobs.

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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #10
53. And make no mistake about it.....
The profits are massive. Follow the money.
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:05 PM
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12. Thanks for the civics lesson.
Anyone going into jury duty should have this information readily available especially in such cases as this.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:16 PM
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13. Just another Vietnam veteran pothead.
:sarcasm:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #13
44. Probably starting on heroin tomorrow
:sarcasm:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:37 PM
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16. How do we encourage jury nullification on a mass scale?
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 02:38 PM by killbotfactory
If no city could convict people for these crimes, and just ended up wasting their money pursuing cases they can't win, that seems like the only way to decriminalize cannabis.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #16
37. Americans for Safe Access has several handouts for jurors which encourage nullification.
They are a California-based organization with members all over the country. IMHO, they are one of two groups (the other is NORML) who deserve all the support we can give them.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
43. What about an interview on the subject on, say, Letterman? Or Jon Stewart? Or 60 Minutes? -nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:14 PM
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18. Fantastic~ And, Subway's keeping Phelps,
& I'm boycotting Kellogg's which isn't too hard.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #18
35. kellogg has joined my list as well.
not hard at all.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #18
49. Me too only I used to buy a lot of Kellogg branded stuff but mostly
cereals which I am hooked on. Fortunately there are good substitutes. Maybe now I will substitute a delicious subway for my usual bowl of unending cornflakes for breakfast and lunch.
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Kellen RN Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
54. Doesn't Kellogg's realize that cereal is great munchie food?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #54
60. Guess not..but, I haven't
eaten them since last century. Someone over at Kellogg's made a bad decision.

And, Subway gets Michael Phelps. I don't know what other companies he was endorsing?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:12 PM
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21. And tough shit for the black guy convicted by all white jury for the same thing.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. This isn't the story of Hurricane, bub - take your schtick where it's relevant. n/t

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. Oh boy.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. nothing prevents a jury from doing the same for a black person
racism still exists but many of us that get jury duty letters are NOT racist.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #25
50. Blessings.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #21
45. Yes that was my point when I posted this article!
Wow you figured me out.

:sarcasm:
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:33 PM
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23. That's good news - n/t
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:08 PM
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26. This is a powerful reason why we shouldn't try to dodge jury duty
It can be a pain in the ass, but it's a hugely important part of the civic process...
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Excellent point!
Recently there have been many posts regarding opting out of our civic duty. I completely agree with you!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. i have never avoided jury duty
so far i have been called to serve once but the case didn't have anything to do with drugs or any other victimless non violent type offense.

but i do hope to get on a jury where the case is similar to this and even with all the evidence i would vote not guilty.

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Heathen57 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #26
51. Until the onset of my illnesses
caused me not to be able to sit long enough for jury duty, I always welcomed that notice.

The last jury I was on involved a state patrol officer ticketing a man who was involved in an accident. The ticket wasn't filled out correctly, the officer couldn't give answers to the attorney's questions, etc.

I think we were in the jury room for a total of 15 minutes. The state had completely failed in proving their case. The only reason we took that long is some Repub that insisted that if the officer ticketed him then he must be guilty. We finally asked him if the state had proven a case, considering all the mistakes they had made and they hadn't brought any evidence against the defendant that would prove anything.

He agreed then, but it amazed me that this man would be so brainwashed that he would take a ticket as proof of guilt. The judicial system should include jury nullification in their instructions, but you can bet it will never happen.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #26
63. i was called in last week
but wasn't picked for a jury. we have one day/one trial here in cali.
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:57 AM
Response to Reply #26
71. God, I would love it if they called me for jury duty!
They haven't called on me yet.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:47 PM
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28. excellent, and in Illinois too. My home state.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:57 PM
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31. GOOD FOR THEM
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:19 PM
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33. Prison time for possession of marijuana?
I ask the question again. MARIJUANA?

Marijuana is a plant folks. This is a plant that grows wild all across the United States.

We have real criminals in this country. We have criminals that kill people and molest little kids. When we have real criminals in this country, we are wasting expensive prison cells on people in possession of a weed?

I would have found the guy innocent of all charges also.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. The leading cause of revocation of probation and/or parole is a THC-filled urine specimen.
That's why many of my former felon friends learned to switch to drugs that flushed from their systems sooner than pot. Drugs like cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin and all the pharmaceutical beans they could swallow.

Get fried on those other drugs on Friday -- piss clean on Monday.

But smoke one joint -- you have to worry for a week or two (or find a friend with a clean urine stream).
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #39
58. You might feel some remote satisfaction in this fact I just learned
California's governor Schwartznegger is probably going to eliminate parole for all non violent prison releasees. This due to our state's current budget mess.

Once you leave the prison, you are free. No more of this reporting back to a parole officer for two to five years! The article mentioning this also stated that the parole requirements were the leading cause of a great percentage of recividism that occurs to "pot ofenders"
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:19 PM
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41. It'll probably be some time before I'm called to jury duty again.
If I am, I intend to keep my cards close to my chest.

Never, ever say or insinuate or imply that you have any idea what jury nullification is. That's a surprise that I, for one, intend to wait until the reading of the verdict to spring on the judge.

Judges HATE jury nullification. They'll lecture you, demand you judge the case strictly according to their instructions, give you threats and so on, but the real truth is that once he bangs the gavel and you head to the jury room to make your decision, you can make whatever verdict you want, and you're well within legal rights to judge the law as well as the defendant.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:25 AM
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69. If the bust don't fit, you must acquit.... nt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:52 PM
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42. I'll vote not guilty to any pot offense if I am put on jury duty ...you can bet on it!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:31 PM
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48. Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Enough, already. nt
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:05 PM
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52. Maybe if enough juries fail to convict these weed charges, they'll stop arresting folks. rec'd
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:24 PM
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55. Eliminate all incarceration for offenses parallel to alcohol consumption
Too many people that don't get enough satisfaction out of life without messing up somebody else's life
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:43 PM
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56. Bravo!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:49 PM
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57. Read "Burning Rainbow Farm" if you want to plumb the depths of "War On Drugs" absurdity
Guaranteed to piss you off.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:43 AM
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66. It sure will. I was incensed when I read about that travesty.
NT!

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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:50 PM
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59. I'd volunteer for jury duty everyday

If I thought there was any chance I could get seated on a jury for Cannabis use/sale/manufacture/distribution etc. I would be a happy camper that's for sure....I'm sure the defendant wouldn't mind either..:)

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:21 AM
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64. Bit by bit the citizens of this country are coming to their senses. nt
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:35 AM
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65. HELL YES! Now that's how you do it!
Little by little, we will end the war on this proven-beneficial plant!

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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:02 AM
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67. I just figured out what Dr. ML King meant when he said,
"the racists' lips dripping with nullification..." I had wondered that a number of times.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:04 AM
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72. IIRC, that refers to states nullifying federal law
I think he was referring to states that nullified Brown v. Board of Education.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:11 AM
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68. the little known right to judge the law as well as the facts...
....of the case stands between the people and tyranny.

Jury nullification. The right to judge the law itself. Our right, and our duty.

Get informed on it. FIJA.org
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:18 AM
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77. Fully Informed Juries
Oh yes.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:15 AM
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70. kr
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:14 AM
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73. I'm not so sure this is a case of jury nullification
The prosecution charged Swift with "possession with intent to deliver". He denied it and the jury believed him.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:44 AM
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74. It seems to me that if marijuana is criminalized then tobacco should also be.
Tobacco is highly addictive as I can attest to regardless of what the tobacco companies denied about it addiction. It is also a major cause of deadly health problems. I don't know about marijuana since I never tried it. I had enough addictions to wrestle with having used both tobacco and alcohol. It just seems to me, being an old fart, that since tobacco and alcohol are not criminalized (they tried it with alcohol) then marijuana should not be criminalized. I am of the thinking that many of these drugs shouldn't be criminalized since they only create gangs that war over their distribution and nothing really happens in regard to limiting there use. The only effect means of limiting there use is to convince people of there harmfulness.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 06:09 AM
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75. Good TV documentary on the "war on drugs"
I've posted the link to this video on a couple different threads here on DU, but I'll repost it again for anyone who might have missed it. It's a Dutch TV program (first few minutes in Dutch, after that switches to English) that examines the "war on drugs" and shows how massively ineffective it is at shutting down the drug trade, but how effective it is as a generator of funds for the prison industrial complex.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=864268000924014458&ei=buWOSYLJOoqsrAKL3_C8Cw&q=dnw+war+on+drugs

Also this is a snip from an article "Dillon Read and Co. Inc. and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits" by Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing in the GHW Bush administration.

Much has been written about the use of the War on Drugs to intentionally disenfranchise poor people and engineer the centralization of political and economic power in the U.S. and globally, including an explosive rise in the U.S. prison population. The purpose of this story is not to repeat this fundamentally sound thesis. For those who are interested in more on this topic, I would refer you to my article and audio seminar “Narco Dollars for Beginners” as well as Michael Woodiwiss’ book Organized Crime and American Power (University of Toronto Press, 2001) and their associated bibliographies.<49>

What most people miss is the extent to which the day-to-day implementation of this intentional centralism is deeply pervasive and therefore deeply bipartisan. It receives the promotion and support from all political and social spectrums that make money by running government through the contractors, banks, law firms, think tanks and universities that really run the government. My intention for this story is to make clear how the system really works. A system in which a small group of ambitious insiders — who more often than not were educated at Harvard, Yale, Princeton and the other Ivy League schools — enjoy centralizing power and advantaging themselves. Paradigms of Republican vs. Democrat or Conservative vs. Progressive have been designed for obfuscation and entertainment. An endless number of philosophies and strains of religious and “holier than thou” moralism are really put on and taken off like fresh make-up in the effort to hide from view a deeper, uglier face. One person who may have described it more frankly during the Clinton years was the former Director of the CIA, William Colby, who writing for an investment newsletter in 1995 said:

"The Latin American drug cartels have stretched their tentacles much deeper into our lives than most people believe. It's possible they are calling the shots at all levels of government."

The Clinton Administration took the groundwork laid by Nixon, Reagan and Bush and embraced and blossomed the expansion and promotion of federal support for police, enforcement and the War on Drugs with a passion that was hard to understand unless and until you realized that the American financial system was deeply dependent on attracting an estimated $500 billion-$1 trillion of annual money laundering. Globalizing corporations and deepening deficits and housing bubbles required attracting vast amounts of capital. (my emphasis /JC)

http://www.dunwalke.com/10_Clinton_Administration.htm To start at the beginning of the article, go to:
http://www.dunwalke.com/introduction.htm (warning it is quite long and will take some time to read through)
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 07:49 AM
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76. "Jury Nulification"
Thank you for bringing this article to our attention and "jury nullification" in the process. Powerful information there.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:39 AM
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80. All citizens should be aware of their power to exercise Jury Nullification
The jury can always refuse to convict someone even when the evidence is overwhelming if they believe the law or its application is unjust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification


Jury nullification is an act of a jury (its verdict) intended to make an official rule, especially a statute, void in the context of a particular case. In other words, "the process whereby a jury in a criminal case effectively nullifies a law by acquitting a defendant regardless of the weight of evidence against him or her."<1>

Jury nullification is more specifically any rendering of a verdict by a trial jury, acquitting a criminal defendant despite the defendant's violation of the letter of the law, that is, of an official rule, especially a legislative enactment. This verdict need not disagree with the instructions by the judge concerning what the law is, but may disagree with an instruction, if given by the judge, that the jury is required to apply the "law" to the defendant if certain facts are found.

Although a jury's refusal relates only to the particular case before it, if a pattern of such verdicts develops in response to repeated attempts to prosecute a statutory offense, it can have the practical effect of disabling the enforcement of the statute. "Jury nullification" is thus a means for the people to express opposition to an unpopular legislative enactment.

The jury system was established because it was felt that a panel of citizens, drawn at random from the community, and serving for too short a time to be corrupted, would be more likely to render a just verdict, through judging both the evidence and the law, than officials who may be unduly influenced to follow established legal practice, especially when that practice has drifted from its constitutional origins. Jury nullification is a reminder that the right to trial by one's peers affords the public an opportunity to take a dissenting view about the justness of a statute or official practices.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:25 AM
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78. Hooray.....
...for that Illinois jury. Everyone arguing for the legalization of pot should keep a copy of "Marijuana Myths. The best argument is simply listing the facts, and putting the onus on those who would argue against legalization to prove their claims. Here are the first seven myths. The rest, along with sources listed can be found at the link below. I don't post much, so I hope I'm not breaking any rules here, but I think it's important enough to risk. Thanks.
quickesst

<http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html>

MARIJUANA MYTHS
by Paul Hager
Chair, ICLU Drug Task Force


1. Marijuana causes brain damage
The most celebrated study that claims to show brain damage is the rhesus monkey study of Dr. Robert Heath, done in the late 1970s. This study was reviewed by a distinguished panel of scientists sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences. Their results were published under the title, Marijuana and Health in 1982. Heath's work was sharply criticized for its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys), its failure to control experimental bias, and the misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged". Actual studies of human populations of marijuana users have shown no evidence of brain damage. For example, two studies from 1977, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed no evidence of brain damage in heavy users of marijuana. That same year, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially came out in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That's not the sort of thing you'd expect if the AMA thought marijuana damaged the brain.

2. Marijuana damages the reproductive system
This claim is based chiefly on the work of Dr. Gabriel Nahas, who experimented with tissue (cells) isolated in petri dishes, and the work of researchers who dosed animals with near-lethal amounts of cannabinoids (i.e., the intoxicating part of marijuana). Nahas' generalizations from his petri dishes to human beings have been rejected by the scientific community as being invalid. In the case of the animal experiments, the animals that survived their ordeal returned to normal within 30 days of the end of the experiment. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system.

3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug-it leads to hard drugs
This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be found in Holland. The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use-heroin and cocaine-have DECLINED substantially. If marijuana really were a gateway drug, one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not down. This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been observed in the United States. Studies done in the early 1970s showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of alcohol. A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not, found that where marijuana was more available-the states that had decriminalized-hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.

4. Marijuana suppresses the immune system
Like the studies claiming to show damage to the reproductive system, this myth is based on studies where animals were given extremely high-in many cases, near-lethal-doses of cannabinoids. These results have never been duplicated in human beings. Interestingly, two studies done in 1978 and one done in 1988 showed that hashish and marijuana may have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.

5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco
Smoked marijuana contains about the same amount of carcinogens as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered, however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes marijuana. This is because smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs while marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. Two other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws directed against marijuana users make it difficult to smoke safely. These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic. This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the reverse is true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco.

6. Legal marijuana would cause carnage on the highways
Although marijuana, when used to intoxication, does impair performance in a manner similar to alcohol, actual studies of the effect of marijuana on the automobile accident rate suggest that it poses LESS of a hazard than alcohol. When a random sample of fatal accident victims was studied, it was initially found that marijuana was associated with RELATIVELY as many accidents as alcohol. In other words, the number of accident victims intoxicated on marijuana relative to the number of marijuana users in society gave a ratio similar to that for accident victims intoxicated on alcohol relative to the total number of alcohol users. However, a closer examination of the victims revealed that around 85% of the people intoxicated on marijuana WERE ALSO INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL. For people only intoxicated on marijuana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other research using completely different methods. For example, an economic analysis of the effects of decriminalization on marijuana usage found that states that had reduced penalties for marijuana possession experienced a rise in marijuana use and a decline in alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased. This would suggest that, far from causing "carnage", legal marijuana might actually save lives.

7. Marijuana "flattens" human brainwaves
This is an out-and-out lie perpetrated by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America. A few years ago, they ran a TV ad that purported to show, first, a normal human brainwave, and second, a flat brainwave from a 14-year-old "on marijuana". When researchers called up the TV networks to complain about this commercial, the Partnership had to pull it from the air. It seems that the Partnership faked the flat "marijuana brainwave". In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly INCREASING alpha wave activity. Alpha waves are associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

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AlexDeLarge Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:26 AM
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79. K&R
Baby, K&R
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:09 PM
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86. Excellent. Now let's make it a trend.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:22 PM
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89. too late to r
:(
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:28 PM
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90. I am for jury nullification and hope this leads to an end of the Drug War . . .
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