Will the Senate need to get 60 on the conference vote as well?

Not sure how that works.

Note how I didn't say *Reid*.

placate, indulge or invite them to another fuckin' thing. Of course, President Obama is better than that. :P

I have yet to see him *sacrifice* strategery for being nice. Instead, every time it has come up, he's always found a way to *merge* nice + strategery.


EDIT: I too would much prefer to stomp their evil bigoted faces in the the soft ground and lay waste to everything they've ever done. Alas, I'm not President.

I didn't know either for sure. This was the first link I got:

"The Senate rejected a motion to invoke cloture on the conference report"
http://www.techlawjournal.com/topstories/2005/20051217.asp

So it looks like yes, it will need 60.

On edit, that article really is a disgusting look backwards.

http://www.congressmatters.com/storyonly/2009/2/7/161443/9275/436/583


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So I think that's it. Section 201(b)(1) of S. Con. Res. 21, passed by the 110th Congress, appears to be at least one reason why it will take 60 votes to pass the stimulus bill in the Senate, and likewise any conference report arising from it. I'm not yet entirely clear whether any other points of order apply, and if so, whether there would be any particular reason for raising one versus the other, or even whether you can raise them all. But this one seems the most clearly applicable, though I could still be wrong about that. Nobody's really saying just yet exactly which one it is.

But this, I guess, is why when you read about it in the traditional media, they just say, "the Senate will require 60 votes to pass it," and it's left at that. Still, it'd be nice if they held themselves to the "Prove it!" standard once in a while.

This should also, by the way, partly explain for some of you why Senate Democrats aren't "forcing the Republicans to actually filibuster" the bill if they want to require 60 votes to pass it. It would require 60 votes anyway, filibuster or not.

Don't you think Senators could have avoided a lot of headaches for themselves and their constituents if they'd said something about that? Maybe they did, I don't know. I didn't ask any of them.

remain a possibility and would require 60 votes for cloture. Then 51 to pass.

One thing on the conference generated bill is that no new amendments can be added. It has to be considered as is.