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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 10:25 PM
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Crist says state to get less stimulus than hoped. Catastrophic Fund faces shortage as well.
Florida is facing real problems getting their share of the stimulus money and the money that has been allocated for children's health care...SCHIP. They know the problems are coming because they don't have the proper matching dollars. But they refuse to do anything but cut the budget.

Now the shortfall in funding for the Hurricane Catastrophic Fund is added to the mix.

State to get less stimulus than hoped, Crist says

Crist's office earlier this week estimated Florida would get at least $10.4 billion for education, health care, transportation and other state and local government projects and services. That figure probably will be reduced because the $790 billion total in the compromise is less than in measures initially passed by the House or Senate.

"I'm delighted," said Crist, who appeared with President Barack Obama here Tuesday to campaign for the stimulus. "What we were looking at just a few months ago was no stimulus at all."


They have not met requirements in these areas and may not get the money.

Florida officials want to use some of the federal money to help fill holes punched in the state budget by a sagging economy, but legislative leaders say they still expect more spending cuts no matter how many stimulus dollars the state gets.

Details of Wednesday's deal remained unclear Thursday, including whether Florida might lose education stimulus funds under a provision that requires states to spend at least as much of their own money on public schools this year as they did in 2006. State officials hope U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan will be able to waive that requirement on a case-by-case basis.


The legislators won't take responsibility, will continue cutting no matter what, and rely on others like Duncan to cave in to them.

The Republicans control the legislature and the Governor goes along nearly always. They are not going to do anything about fixing the tax structure here, they will do nothing about raising those matching dollars.

As a result, Floridians in every area will suffer for their ideology of cutting taxes and then cutting them again and again.

Federal Child Health Care Plan May Not Help Florida

President Barack Obama has signed a plan expanding health care coverage for children, but there’s a question whether the billions of dollars in extra cash for health insurance will help any of Florida’s uninsured kids.

Florida is home to more than 700,000 uninsured children and it’s feared that number will continue to climb this year because of the recession.

The new plan includes an extra $33 billion for children’s insurance but those are matching dollars, which means Florida must put up $1 to get about $2 back.

It’s a good deal, but the state doesn’t have extra money to put up right now. Florida needs about $40 million to receive the maximum payment from Washington.


They have known this problem was coming, and they have done nothing to fix it.

Florida may not get much help from SCHIP unless they find matching dollars.

Congress passed a major funding boost for children's health insurance today, and President Barack Obama promptly signed it into law, but it won't help Florida much unless the state finds tens of millions of matching dollars in its depleted coffers.

....""We'll have a problem," said state Sen. Nan Rich, D-Weston, vice chair of an appropriations panel on health care. "Where are we going to get the money? It won't matter that they fixed this if we don't have the money to draw it down from Washington."


It is not just a problem with children's insurance. They have cut so much funding to schools that they may not get matching funds from the education portion of the stimulus package. They have known this, and they do nothing.

Florida may not get desired stimulus funds because they cut funding to schools.

Florida leaders counting on more than $3.5 billion from a massive federal stimulus package to shore up the state's education budget learned Thursday there could be a catch. The state may not qualify for the money because the Legislature has cut its schools budget too much.

The U.S. House of Representatives passed an $819 billion economic-recovery plan Wednesday. Under that bill, money in a special "state stabilization fund" would go only to states that could fund schools for the next two years at the levels they had in the 2005-06 school year.

But the state is below that threshold. In fact, school funding coming directly from the state is now lower than it was in the 2004-05 school year. With Florida's budget shortfall for next year ballooning toward $4 billion, it's not clear it could meet that requirement.


But there is another area that will put many people in danger....there is insufficient funding for the Florida Hurricane Catastrophic fund.

Florida's Hurricane Catastrophe Fund is in Jeopardy

Months before hurricane season, Florida faces an unprecedented threat to its fragile home insurance market, again risking price spikes and policy shortages.

The threat comes from the state's primary tool to prevent such mishap: the Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund.

In an effort to stop rate increases, Gov. Charlie Crist and lawmakers two years ago doubled the size of the fund to sell $29 billion in storm protection to Florida insurers, at prices far below the private market.

Insurers, in turn, were to pass the savings on to homeowners. But since last fall, Cat Fund advisers have warned that Florida cannot borrow enough money to make good on its promise to pay hurricane claims. The shortfall is an estimated $18 billion.


I don't get the feeling that our Florida Republicans are taking their responsibilities seriously enough. I don't hear that much from our state Democrats either.

Charlie Crist really made me angry with his arrogant flippant remarks to State Farm when they threatened to quit writing homeowners' policies here.

Instead of saying he would talk to them, work with them...he said we did not need them. He said it would be better if they left. I am angry with State Farm, but I am also angry with Crist's attitude toward them. As owners of an older home, we may be left high and dry as some companies won't insure older homes. We have been with State Farm for about 40 years.

We deserve better from our insurance and our state.

Our schools and our children in Florida deserve better than the irresponsible attitudes of our legislators.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 10:28 PM
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1. Thank your Republican pals for the cuts, Gov. Crist.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 10:33 PM
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2. Here's what I don't understand about the insurance thing....
If the private insurers won't take the risk, and its up to FL to risk it all, WHY in the world don't we offer a competing ins. program... insure cars, homes, and life thru the entire United States... Compete for damn sakes. Insurer's do not insure because they are nice people.. they do it for a profit. So open up the system and freaking compete.. we'd create jobs, we'd have money, and we can keep our taxes low... its a multi-billion dollar industry..
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 10:49 PM
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3. Insurance companies lobby hard against government competition. (nt)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 03:35 PM
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10. Charlie just said we would be better off without State Farm.
He would just let us all go with Citizens...which can not handle all of us.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 07:02 PM
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14. We can't handle Citizens rates either.
They're required by law to have the highest rates in the state. At least they were. I haven't seen the law changed.

Even though we're getting gouged by State Farm,I know that I pay substantially less than my neighbors across the street. They have Citizens.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 09:11 PM
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18. Thanks for the photos! They are fabulous!
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Horus45 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:42 PM
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26. Good idea, but...
The repukes would fight this with everything in their arsenal.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:26 PM
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4. More about the lack of qualification for education funds....
http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/news/story/education-sec-asked-to-help-fla-qualify-for-27-billion-in-stimulus-bill/

"WASHINGTON – Florida’s senators on Friday wrote to Education Secretary Arne Duncan asking for swift help so the state may qualify for the $2.7 billion it would get from a key funding category of the stimulus bill.

Right now, Florida does not meet the requirements to receive its share of a huge $54.4 billion pot of money in the $787 billion bill that was fashioned to help cash-strapped states balance their budgets – mostly through added funding for education needs.

That’s because a state, to get the money, must be funding K-12 and higher education at no less than 2006 levels. States that are not would forfeit their share of the so-called “State Fiscal Stabilization Fund” money to other states."

FL is funding below 2004 levels last I heard....unless Charlie's veto pen helped in that area.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 12:15 AM
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5. Why should the rest of the country pay for Florida's education system when
Floridians won't even pay what they can.

Talk about socialism!

We should pay for their kids because they don't want to? Hell, who's going to pay for our kids, then?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 12:27 AM
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6. You make a good point. That's their plan.
To keep cutting and take whatever they can get.
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tonycinla Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 12:33 AM
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7. One reason...
One reason Florida is spending less on education is that we are losing students,many middle class families are leaving Florida,we have an aging population.Many people who retire here from up north do not want to pay for educating children that are not their children or grandchildren.We have had this problem for years.I am a 4th generation Floridian,lived here over 50 years.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 12:46 AM
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8. I have heard that, but there are more reasons.
They are just not funding the schools. The tourists are not coming this year like they usually do.

They are not willing to fix the tax structure here.

The worst part is that public tax money is supporting 42,000 students in private schools.
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tonycinla Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:44 PM
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27. Three states in one
As you know Florida is a very "different" type state.Neither north or south or midwest It is hard to get a consensus here.There are a lot of deadbeats in Florida .Many of the people living in the SE part of the state either got thrown out of New Jersey or swam over from a caribbean island.Many people who have failed in other parts of the country or are starting over come here to crash.They simply do not make good citizens.We are NOT Minnesota.The demographics are just not there for good education.It is true that some public money is going to private schools but most of the expense is borne by the parents of the students.If tomorrow morning all the parents of private school students decided to put them in public schools,which they have every right to do,what would that do to the economic situation the schools in Florida find themselves in?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:05 PM
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29. Of course Florida could have good education again. Of course.
We had a good education system until the conservative ideology took over the state.

Florida has been a test case for all the dreams of the Bush family. How's that working out nationally and statewide?

Not so good.

You know what? I post a lot about things that are wrong with this state. However I don't think I use the words "deadbeat" and I don't think I ever talked talked about people, human beings like you are doing.

I really truly do not like your attitude. You just insulted a whole bunch of people.

And I do NOT think public tax money should go to private schools, especially with the lack of regulation and oversight.

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byeya Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 04:10 PM
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12. Time to address the problem of "welfare states"
Alabama gets approx $1.75 back for each $1 in taxes it sends to the federal treasury. New Jersey gets back approx $0.77. The states that receive more than they are taxed are reliable republican states in presidential elections; the states which do not receive their money back are reliable Democratic states.
It's stupid to subsidize those who will vote against you time after time and short change those who support you.
Equalization should be a priority.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 09:40 PM
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20. Absolutely right.
They bitch about taxes and liberals, then get handouts from the taxes paid by the blue states. Pisses me off.

Welcome to DU.
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byeya Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:19 AM
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22. Thank you; I appreciate it & am glad to be here{eom}
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 12:31 PM
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9. "expect more spending cuts no matter how many stimulus dollars the state gets."
From the OP...they admit they will keep cutting stuff.

I think the stimulus was not intended for states that don't try to fix things. :shrug:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 04:02 PM
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11. Bushes- in this case JEBtm
the gift that keeps on giving... :(
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 04:23 PM
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13. Crist is really part of the Problem....
I think we get a Democratic Governor next go round and get rid of this ass clown. Typically states with Democratic governors get more done for the people in the state namely... education, child care and better wages.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 07:08 PM
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15. Unfortunately, and I hate to say it,
Crist is probably better than the DINO, Jim Davis who ran against him.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 07:40 PM
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16. While it is going to hurt the states to be left out it should be remembered
that while President Obama and economists were calling for more spending many of these states were calling for less spending. If spending is the key to recovery we cannot have one hand spending while the other hand is cutting spending. Everyone has to get on the same page here.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 08:14 PM
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17. Does it look like Crist will have a primary challenge?
Yeesh, since the nuts at the "Club For Growth" seem to challenge anyone who doesn't worship at the grave of Ayn Rand, I got a feeling a challenge to Crist will be a real possibility!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 09:18 PM
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19. That's what happens when you fund a state on "the kindness of strangers"
Edited on Sat Feb-14-09 09:26 PM by SoCalDem
and on the backs of homebuyers, via property taxes.

Most responsible states bite the bullet and impose STATE INCOME TAXES...and do not trust to the whims of tourists, and handouts from Uncle Sam...
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:01 AM
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21. From what you've been writing, I think Florida is going to implode.

I don't think people should be worried about winning the next election, I think people should be thinking of the survival of the state-- or make an exodus. The latter is probably what's going to be happening.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:21 AM
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23. Do you think this is "change from above?"
Let me be very careful about what I'm saying here. I don't think Obama is punishing Florida specifically, or the trouble Jeb caused, or the foot-dragging that "Jesus" Crist is condoning right now.

But...the policies these men and the state legislature have enacted are very much against the feelings of the Obama Administration. I can't help but think of the shenanigans that the legislature conducted during the recount, their basic overturning of the referendum on high speed rail, and their cowardice on education funding.

It may be that the Obama administration is sending a very polite message to Florida. "We'll be glad to help you, but we can't do anything with the corrupt crop of idiots you currently have in your legislature. Get somebody good in office and we might be able to help."

Think this is possible, Madfloridian?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:10 PM
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24. I was just reading some headlines about the topic from FL blogs.
Either Charlie keeps changing his tune on the stimulus benefits, or the reporters just change headlines.

More headlines from today.

Times: Crist says Florida will get $10 billion, more jobs from stimulus

AP: Crist: Stimulus Will Mean Jobs

Times: Florida stimulus share 'very encouraging,' Gov. Crist says

Times: Crist says Florida will get $10 billion, more jobs from stimulus

AP: Crist: Stimulus Will Mean Jobs

Times: Florida stimulus share 'very encouraging,' Gov. Crist says


Compare with this headline from the OP. Sounds like Charlie doesn't have a clue and is winging it.

State to get less stimulus than hoped, Crist says
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:17 PM
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25. Sounds like Florida needs to get with the program
If spending $1 gets you an extra $2....doesn't it make economical sense that you aren't spending $1, you are in fact only spending 33 cents on these necessary programs?
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:52 PM
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28. Some states are screwed because they can't "Get With
the Program" due to constitutional prohibitions against deficit spending. Is Florida one of those?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:14 PM
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30. Ask Charlie why he is calling for more and bigger tax cuts.
They have been raiding state trust funds to "balance" it rather than trying to restructure the tax base, rather than taking away the billions and billions in corporate tax cuts.

That is not the reason FL is failing right now. We are the victims of Norquist Republicans trying to empty the government's coffers. Once they do that they can say...looky, we don't have any money for any services.

They are drowning government in the bathtub...it has been on purpose.

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