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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:09 PM
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Is it finally time to use the dreaded D-word?
WASHINGTON - A Depression doesn't have to be Great — bread lines, rampant unemployment, a wipeout in the stock market. The economy can sink into a milder depression, the kind spelled with a lowercase "d."

And it may be happening now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469826/
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:13 PM
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1. No. Look at the ages of the people in line
On the left, the Great Depression, you see folks in the 60's and 70's standing in line for what is most likely back breaking work

On the right, you see young folks in comparison. 20's, 30's - maybe 40's

This makes all the difference
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:24 PM
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5. I'm having trouble understanding what you posted
Did you mean that in the time of the Great Depression, the people standing in line for work were in their sixties and seventies - you're talking about their ages?

Is that what you meant?

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:26 PM
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8. Oh fuck it - we're all walking corpses
;)
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:04 PM
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14. Thank you. That helps clear it up nicely.
Did you honestly think those Depression-era line people were in their sixties and seventies?

No, they just look different to use because of the photographic techniques, the clothing, and, alas, the desperation and hunger. Those last two things especially can make a man or woman look much older than they really are.

It all depends on where the lines are, too.

The outrage is that there are any lines.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:24 PM
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7. funny - the actual difference is
all men vs mostly women

I think you are way off on the ages of the men in the first picture. They are not in their 60's and 70's. Perhaps the hats are playing tricks with your perception.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 08:39 PM
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13. it's the hats.
guys don't wear hats anymore like they used to. :shrug:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 08:13 PM
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11. Those guys are not those ages --
Most are middle-aged men who look as if they haven't had a good meal in a long time. The clothes, the haircuts, even their demeanor says Depression era.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:06 PM
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15. Just read an article in the WSJ about oldsters going back to work.
Edited on Mon Mar-02-09 09:15 PM by Veritas_et_Aequitas
Not necessarily backbreaking work, but retail and whatever else they can do.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123535088586444925.html

I also stumbled this one about the elderly using the Internet to find work. Why this is newsworthy is beyond me, but for what it's worth: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/02/26/seniors-take-job-hunt-to-the-web/

Edit: Added links.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:13 PM
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2. uh -- it's PAST that time -- it IS a Depression
Has been since the fall. But don't expect the MSM to call it that until all the corporations get a hit off the Government teat.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:14 PM
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3. Some Quotes from the Zapper
Edited on Mon Mar-02-09 07:15 PM by Xipe Totec

Kif: Sir, we have an emergency on the bridge.
Zap: Call me back when it's a catastrophe!
<large crash>
Zap: Oh, very well!...



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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:22 PM
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4. technically we have to have a decline in GDP of 10%
so - no not yet - but we are also sort of in uncharted territory here. Like the stagflation of the 70's, they may have to invent a new term for what Bush et al have done.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:24 PM
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6. What is a depression?
http://economics.about.com/cs/businesscycles/a/depressions_2.htm

Before the Great Depression of the 1930s any downturn in economic activity was referred to as a depression. The term recession was developed in this period to differentiate periods like the 1930s from smaller economic declines that occurred in 1910 and 1913. This leads to the simple definition of a depression as a recession that lasts longer and has a larger decline in business activity.
The Difference

So how can we tell the difference between a recession and a depression? A good rule of thumb for determining the difference between a recession and a depression is to look at the changes in GNP. A depression is any economic downturn where real GDP declines by more than 10 percent. A recession is an economic downturn that is less severe.
By this yardstick, the last depression in the United States was from May 1937 to June 1938, where real GDP declined by 18.2 percent. If we use this method then the Great Depression of the 1930s can be seen as two separate events: an incredibly severe depression lasting from August 1929 to March 1933 where real GDP declined by almost 33 percent, a period of recovery, then another less severe depression of 1937-38. The United States hasn’t had anything even close to a depression in the post-war period. The worst recession in the last 60 years was from November 1973 to March 1975, where real GDP fell by 4.9 percent. Countries such as Finland and Indonesia have suffered depressions in recent memory using this definition.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:29 PM
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9. Sure. A few months ago "deflation" was the dreaded "D" word.
It's a depression, all right.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 07:32 PM
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10. We're in a depression RIGHT NOW..
.... it's just that the numbers take a while to filter through. Remember, we only officially entered the recession a couple months ago, but now that we are we know we've been in it for about a year.

Dont' wait for the pump monkeys, the DUMBASS economists and the talking heads to tell you what is already obviously true.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 08:37 PM
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12. All I know is what I see
I see now jobs to have , I see stores and businessess closing and laying off people daily . I looked at Ebay and see many items not even having bids on them. I see empty food banks. I know people trying to sell what they can and many who are worried their jobs are next to go .
I can't even imagine what a depression would even look like now days compared to the last great depression since the country has changed so much in every way possible. I see footage of homes left in panic with most of their possessions left behind because they have no place to put it of money to store it. It's no longer buddy can you spare a dime because a dine will get you nothing and there is no open land to sit on a hope to survive and people are armed to the teeth these days and the roads are filled with cars and stores and empty buildings.

It's really pretty scary stuff and the people today never went through this are are not prepared to go through this.

I hope people in communities can pool together and weather this out, that's what I hope for.

If I had any money I would start a commune.
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:10 PM
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17. I wouldn't mind living in a commune
My family has a cabin that runs completely on solar power. We can watch satellite tv,run the microwave,hair dryers, lights at night, and we never drain the system. This is a LOT of people using these resources all day and all night. If someone wants to stay for an extended period, you can use a laptop and satellite broadband. No phone though. We are totally in the middle of nowhere.

One summer in the future we want to set up a wi-fi system there.

We have fertile soil by the creek to grow veggies and .."flowers"

But one day I would like to have a commune up there for spring/summer/fall...you can't be up there during the winter because you can't have water in the pipes and you have to hault it everytime you want to wash dishes,flush, etc.

I hope one day to spend a couple of seasons up there by myself! I think I would like it.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:09 PM
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16. It's more like the Marianas Trench.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:12 PM
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18. May I suggest upgrading that to an "F"?
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:17 PM
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19. 'Republican Depression'
It's what Republican tax cuts for the rich and tax hikes on working people leads to.

Republicans gave us deregulation, Reaganomics policy, tax cuts for the rich, increased taxes for working people, labor cuts, lower pay, etc. etc. They own this Depression.

Let it be known as the 'REPUBLICAN DEPRESSION.'
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