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LostinRed Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:12 AM
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Keith once again pointed out Bill O'Reilly's hypocrisy. Contact info@ithappenedtoalexa.org
to dis-invite Bill O'Reilly. Watch worse person's 2/2/09 in the world for more info but basically Bill has a reputation for blaming rape victims, yet this group is inviting him to speak.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:13 AM
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1. Yes, please do.
That troll's comments are sickening.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:45 AM
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2. K&R and done! - n/t
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:59 AM
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3. After a quick google search..
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 03:03 AM by Cid_B
If it brings more money for the foundation to have him there then why not?

I might also add that there is a ring of truth to the quote below. Of course rape is despicable and of course the guy who did it should be locked away for a very long time but can anyone really argue that the girl didn't make some seriously bad choices?

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Bill O’Reilly is scheduled to speak on March 19th, at a luncheon for the It Happened To Alexa Foundation, at the Ritz Carlton, in Manalapan Florida. This is, simply, outrageous. The Alexa Foundation’s mission is to “assist rape victims and their families by easing the financial burden they face while traveling to attend the criminal trial.” Bill O’Reilly, however, has shown his total disregard for rape victims in the following statement made on his radio show: “Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.” There was no subsequent apology from either O’Reilly or Westwood One . Should somebody who seems to have no sensitivity towards women, in both his personal life (accused of sexual harassment) and public commentary, be speaking to an organization that advocates for sexual assault victims? I report, you decide.




Addendum: Bill O'Reilly's comment that Shawn Hornbeck, who was kidnapped and raped, enjoyed certain aspects of his captivity is another example of a lack of sensitivity towards those who have been victims of sexual assault. It should be noted that O'Reilly was unapologetic regarding his statement.

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/02/28/bill_oreilly_to_speak_at_fund_raising_event_for_rape_victims_oh_no_he_shouldnt.php
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edit: More google... Jennifer Moore was also murdered. She wasn't "asking for it" as I'm sure someone will jump to but she made very poor choices.
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Caliman73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:37 AM
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4. No truth whatsoever to that statement...
The argument is NOT about the choices the woman made. She could be walking down the street naked for all we care. The expectation and the law is that you DO NOT EVER make a person have sex against their will. That is rape whether you said yes at first, then changed your mind while making out, whether you so drunk that you can't with clear thought make the choice to say no. Rape is rape and is always the fault of the rapist.

The implicit message of O'Reilly's statement is that she brought about her rape. Perhaps she was in a vulnerable situation. Perhaps she made poor choices which put her into the vulnerable situation, all of that is irrelevant. The person who committed the crime is 100% responsible. Perhaps I might choose not to walk late at night by myself in a crime infested area, that is my personal choice. If I do choose to, or have to walk through that area, then I am still the victim of people who act criminally.

You do not have people who blame the victim speak at your function no matter how much possible money or notoriety they will bring. It is about principle.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:58 AM
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7. The girl was also murdered. No walking around late and alone in a halter top will magically turn
someone into a murderer. The poster you are responding to actually thinks that O'Reilly's comments can be defended and are NOT blaming the victim. It boggles my mind.
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LostinRed Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:42 AM
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5. I'll jump
Poor choice are not an invitation for rape. Bill O'Reilly blames the victim. I don't. There are other options to choose for speaker to this event that will generate just as much money, for example invite the victims. If the victims are reluctant, to speak out, there must be others with as much audience draw. Yes, he has the number one cable news show, but he has no credibility to speak about this crime.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:55 AM
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6. I would bet on it bringing less money. People who will want to support an organization like this
will not be happy about O'Reilly's involvement.

Why the hell should someone argue about the "poor choices" of a raped, murdered 18 year old girl. What difference does it make? If he really cared about female safety and sex crime prevention, he could have a segment about general safety precautions. He didn't have to personalize it, making Jennifer Moore a poster girl for "poor choices" that just may get you raped and murdered.

Still, what is there to say about safety precautions? Everyone knows that it is not safe to walk around alone at night and that intoxication makes a person more vulnerable. So, then what? O'Reilly should get specific about a sex predator proof dress code? No halter tops? Cover those legs? Maybe he can tell us exactly what turns a sex predator on and we can then dress accordingly?

Give me a break. The fact that she was drunk, alone at 2am and wearing a halter top did not suddenly turn someone into a rapist and murderer.

O'Reilly's comments about rape and women in general are just some of the proof that he is scum.

Here's another gem, just in case you still feel like defending him:
"On his radio show, Bill O'Reilly falsely claimed that it "is never the case" that a "mother's life is in danger" during pregnancy because "you can always have a C-section and do those kinds of things." In fact, several potential pregnancy complications, such as an ectopic pregnancy, which is "the leading cause of pregnancy-related deaths in the first trimester" or preeclampsia, which "affect up to one in seven pregnant women" can threaten the life of a pregnant woman."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200610160007
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:12 AM
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8. No one deserves to be raped, or murdered, for a "bad choice,"
any more than a man waving around a wad of dollars in public deserves to be mugged.

No one forces anyone else to violate the law. Those who do are the ones solely responsible for what they do. They are to be shamed even more for taking advantage of the foolish, the incapacitated, the stupid--you name it.

Oh, and in case you haven't heard, rape (especially connected with murder) is a crime of violence, not of passion. Men rape out of anger, not because they saw a hot woman in a short skirt and a halter top and they just had to have her.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:24 AM
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9. Ooh Sa...
Breathe deeply now...

Ill run with your example to make it easy for you. The guy waving a big wad of money in his hand in a bad part of town. I think that a goodly portion of the populace would call this a stupid decision. After he gets stabbed and mugged it is the fault of the guy who stabbed and then mugged him but it could have been avoided by not making poor choices.

The point of all of this is that it needs to be said so that others can learn from it. I give safety briefings every week about the right way and the wrong way to behave over the weekends. Don't drive drunk. Go with a buddy. Dont leave your buddy. Carry cash in your damn shoe. Have your superior's cell phone number on you. Charge your phone. A million others.

I'm not infringing on anyones right to dress like a tramp( not to mention abandoning her friend, stumbling through cracktown while blitzed and underage and alone). I am saying that bad decisions lead to bad results so maybe someone later on will say "Gee, maybe this isn't a good idea" If she had changed one more thing she could be alive today.

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