Secret information surfacing, for those who want to know

Did you know that:

* Twenty leading journalists, including winners of several Emmys and a Pulitzer, have described being prevented by corporate media ownership from reporting riveting stories on major cover-ups.

* BBC News has exposed plans of the U.S. military to "provide maximum control" of the Internet, as detailed in a declassified secret Pentagon document signed by the U.S. Secretary of Defense in 2003.

* A CBS News report quotes former U.S. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, "According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." That's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America.

* Government documents released through the Freedom of Information Act show that the top Pentagon generals once approved plans to foment terrorism in major U.S. cities and even kill innocent civilians.

* Multiple, reliable sources show that you may be eating genetically modified food every day which scientific experiments have repeatedly demonstrated can cause sickness and even death in lab animals.

* Detroit's leading newspaper reported that the 1908 Ford Model T boasted a fuel economy of 25 miles per gallon. Yet 100 years later, the EPA average mileage for all cars is under 21 mpg.

* A highly decorated US General wrote a book titled War is a Racket, which clearly depicts how he was manipulated and how most wars are waged largely to keep the coffers of some big corporations filled.

* The former chief of a prestigious medical journal has revealed that the total profits of the ten drug companies in the Fortune 500 were more than the profits of the other 490 businesses combined.

* The Times of London reported that several 9/11 hijackers listed in the 9/11 Commission Report are alive. "Five of the alleged hijackers have emerged, alive, innocent and astonished to see their names and photographs appearing on satellite television. were using stolen identities." See also BBC report.

* More than 50 senior government officials and 100 professors have publicly expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. Many even allege government complicity in the 9/11 attacks.

More info and links to verify it, here:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/

Now just past the above secrets:

All I can say is wow wee.

"It's totally, like, a freaking miracle. Smirk. Only other Republicon Homelanders can understand Great Mysteries like this. Smirk."

- xCommander AWOL Bush (R)

A CBS News report quotes former U.S. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, "According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." That's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America.

No wonder we are bankrupt.

For years. I still believe they stole it and announced it on 09/10/01 then pulled off 9/11 the next day. Just connect the dots and EVERYTHING leads to 9/11. They got away with it by declaring National Security over 9/11.

I know what I believe and I'm 100% rational. I have never believed the official story.

I want to know the truth and I've fought people for 7 years that said I was crazy when all along I backed up argument after argument with facts on the theories. Motive was money period.

all reich wingers that doubted me, suck it. And we ask now about Hitler and Germany, how did they get the good Germans to go along with it all? Why did they just sit there and do nothing?

It just might see the light of day. I will never believe the governments story. In order to believe that you have to defy logic.

9/11 was an inside job.

"Like we Republicon Homelanders will ever be held accountable for anything we did to America and Americans. Smirk. Sneer."

- xVP Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney (R-Chickenhawk War Profiteer)

where they claim that they can only be successful in their aganda only after a "Pearl Harbor" like event. Guess what happens next? It simply does not pass the smell test.

When I think about what these goons did to acquire power and the people still kicked them out, I shake my head. Do not for a minute believe they have given up yet. They have to be locked up - heads have to roll or they will try again.

I will be around then. Would like to be though.

I've noticed you are NOT a fool.

Now is we can just get everyone up to snuff, we might have something. Unless it's true, the American people are so weak and cowed that they're willing to throw away their children's and grandchildren's birthright than get off their ignorant lazy asses and do something.

I wonder, does anyone else ever think about how many frigging Americans don't even bother to write a letter, make a phone call, send an e-mail, or use any other form of communication to make their 'displeasure' known to their elected reps? This just makes me crazy.

I don't understand that part. They didn't have to say anything.

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going and can SEE how it's spent. But not one word about 2.3 TRILLION.... how much more than what obama is spending to fix the mess dipshit and company created!!

Who gets the virgins? Why would the terrorists need passports on a domestic flight, God requires Identification? Maybe so, they were using fake names.



Also, I need some pentagon grass, dog takes a shit on mine and it dies, the pentagon grass can withstand a 757 crashing and burning on it, and it lives! I NEED SOME OF THAT!

Did you know that:

* A highly decorated US General wrote a book titled War is a Racket, which clearly depicts how he was manipulated and how most wars are waged largely to keep the coffers of some big corporations filled.

http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated/dp/0922915865

* The former chief of a prestigious medical journal has revealed that the total profits of the ten drug companies in the Fortune 500 were more than the profits of the other 490 businesses combined.

http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Drug-Companies-Deceive/dp/0375760946

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and journalists couldn't report on them. But everyone here at DU knew that already. Frankly, I seriously doubt that any corporate owned media outlet is going to magically change their ways and all of a sudden report on these things.

This site linked has the flavor of the grocery store waiting in line headlines in the way it is presented. On the other hand, maybe it will cause someone who didn't have time to follow it before to get interested now.

Some of these are yet to be concluded - like the missing money at the Pentagon. Everyone should know about this. Those who took it and misused it may be laughing at our stupidity. I don't believe that it was just lost. And I don't believe their Comptroller in charge at the time.

section of the pentagon was hit with a missile er Boeing 757 destroying all the records!

Just like WTC 7 with all of Enron's files in it too. Simply Amazing. These stories have been out there for years. I hope the ball doesn't drop this time. And it's amazing how a plane can penetrate 3 rings of the Pentagon and yet no huge amount of debris to be found but yet they ID all of the passengers. Including the "terrorist" who's names weren't even on the flight list. And the fact that to ID the "terrorist" they would need DNA from relatives. I'm sure they just looked in the Saudi phone book to find them. Forget that the DNA testing would take months to do. They did it in one day. LOL!

I was off visiting my parents in Phoenix on 9/11. I remember sitting on the foot of my bed a day or two later watching the non-stop news broadcast. Suddenly, they "Breaking News", at which they flashed the photos of 19 men on the screen, claiming that these were the hijackers, and that there should have been 20 of them. I was thinking, "How the hell do they know that? How do they know IN LESS THAN TWO DAYS that these are the culprits, and that there should have been another one?" When I pointed that out to my father, he just said, "What the hell do you think is going on there?" He went on to point out that the WTC was half-empty and losing money. Imagine how many people would have died if those buildings were full. So on top of everything mentioned in the OP, was this also convenient way of eliminating a financial liability?

How in the hell would anyone on the planes that hit the Twin Towers have survived????! That's just nuts!

It says that people identified as hijackers have shown up alive and well. That means that they were MISidentified.

at 7:05 a.m. and misunderstood. Got anything else to add, smarty? :sarcasm:

and some other left leaning internet sources, most of this list is not news to me. for all the good it did knowing it. eight plus years of fucking frustration.

War is a Racket was published in the 1930s!

There is an amnesia of history that is imposed on Americans for the benefit of the over-class. What Americans are spoonfed is the watered-down, over-simplified version of history, and certain historical events are briefly mentioned or even skipped altogether for fear that they would encourage everyday people to question authority more often.

This certainly shows Hollywood's funding priorities. I blame the studio money men, many of whom are Neocon political reactionaries.

had any integrity at all. Just the snippet I saw reeked of Leave it to Beaver type fantasy. Like "W"'s family were average middle class idiots. Idiots, maybe....but NOT the way I saw them presented.

He's pretty much portrayed as a clueless doofus who has major daddy issues (he'll nevernevernevernevernever be good as golden boy Jeb).

Brolin did a good job (especially the voice), although I don't think he captured the sneering, contemptuous arrogance that * has. Ellen Burstyn did though, as Babs, although her part is small.

One scene has Richard Dreyfus as Cheney basically making the case to * and his cabinet for going to war with Iraq. The scene gave me the creeps; also one of the more believable scenes in the movie.

no mention of his testimony to congress regarding the request of the robber barons for him to lead a coup on FDR either. I did not learn of that until my forties! I have a lot of required reading for my children when they are in high school so that they are much more aware than I was at that age.

I want to start educating my children so they do not become part of the Sheeple of the United States. But, what age is appropriate? I do not want to over burden them at too young an age.

my 14 yr old has already read Orwell's Animal Farm and 1984. Upton Sinclair's The Jungle is next. For next year when he is a Freshman in High School he will have....

Zinn, A People's History of the United States

Chalmers Johnson, Sorrow of Empires and probably anything else he has written

William Blum, Everything he has written

Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Rashid Khalidi are must reads as well as watching their videos on Youtube.

I can give more but am having a senior moment right now. :crazy:

I was an excellent student and paid attention, so I'm sure if any teachers or books mentioned a proposed military coup of the US, I would have noticed it.

The other half of this story is that none of the perpetrators were punished in any way, in fact most of their names are still quite well known for being among the wealthiest families in the country.

FDR moved against Dupont with an antitrust action.

BTW, it turned out that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of GW Bush, was up to the gills in that failed attempt at a coup d'etat. Furthermore, one of the banks Prescott Bush was presiding turned out to be linked with the Thissen (I believe) nazi war complex. The Bush's were actually prosecuted as being in collaboration with the enemy.

The only reason why Bush's dad served in WWII was as an attempt to clean up the Bush name after the two events fore mentioned. Bush dad was involved in a plane crash in which the other two members of his crew perished due to Bush's bailout (sounds almost like an allegory to the current situation).

The Bush family has been committing treason from way back. It seems not only they have gotten away with it, but the bigger the treason the more reward the next Bush generation reaps from public office. It is astounding... almost makes me shudder what will the twins get to inflict us. Because I would be my left nut, that in less than a decade... there will be a brand new generation of Bushes, hellbent in running for office and implement some sort of evil (just for the shake of being evil it seems) machination or plot.

Search for "My Exploited Father-In-Law" and you can find the full book PDF for free since the copyright has expired. In it FDR's son-in-law says in part

"Furthermore, aided by Henry Morgenthau, Jr., and his close associate, Harry Dexter White, Hopkins dispatched to the Soviets several plane loads of ourmoney-plates and special paper and special ink, as used here in making our own currency. Does that not
seem incredible?

These shipments of money-plates of untold value went forward to Soviet Russia, by air, from a large installation created for this purpose at Great Falls, Montana. Just how much so-called "military money" has been printed up to now must not be discussed and is a political mystery. This is a question in the 64 dollar class, but not for American citizens to inquire about. Furthermore,
just how many office buildings, hotels and valuable pieces of real estate in this country and in other countries
have been acquired by unknowns through the exchange of that "military money?" How many "hand-picked,
shabby refugees", have arrived in the U. S. with blocks of currency tucked away in battered, tired-looking
luggage, or carrying a sizeable letter-of-credit in their wallet, on some Swiss bank for example, bearing a
numbered account? Upon arriving here, they start out in business and do rather well, it appears. The incredible
Hopkins-Morgenthau-White moneyplate deal apparently had the non-disapproval of top White House officials.

To further describe that occurrence, I quote as follows:
"Spook-money Haunts U. S. Treasury" (From American Mercury, June 1957, Excerpts from reprint from
Economic Liberty, Oakland, California).

"Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury, with Harry Dexter White, Under-Secretary, and Harold
Glasser, all in charge of the Treasury, gave the Russian Government money plates, complete with plane loads
of special ink, and four plane loads of special paper for printing our money in East Germany, to pay two years
salary to Russian soldiers. Refugees brought millions of this money to the United States to set up businesses."


I'm in a hurry but check it out yourself.

In a hole in Paraguay?

Israeli terrorist to rig the WTC. And it's probably more than 2.3 Trillion too stolen. You know Bush's fuzzy math.

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building gigantic sofa cushions under which to hide things.

Yeah, I think most of us know most of this.


* Government documents released through the Freedom of Information Act show that the top Pentagon generals once approved plans to foment terrorism in major U.S. cities and even kill innocent civilians.

to get our tin-foil nappies changed. I'm sickened that anyone on this board would start a thread or react to a thread like this without their tongue in their cheek.

called conspiracy theorists such to the point that a forum was created to house them in, THAT'S WHY. Where have YOU been?

Why "tongue in cheek?"

Do you mean to say these "CT"s are only to be discussed as "tongue in cheek" because they have no bearing on reality?

Or do you mean that these "CT"s have no business being in the main forums because we "can't handle the truth?"

I may have been unclear myself. I'm saying the points set forth in the OP are old news. Really old news. I am not saying at all that we shouldn't be talking about them today...I'm saying if anyone is behaving as if this is "secret" knowledge "finally surfacing" they should be doing so with their tongue in their cheek. See...unfortunately, for some reason, many many many people who comment on this board and who have been doing so for years have been asserting that those of us who brought these points forward and believed them to be true were conspiracy theorists.

it has been quite frustrating. So to see a thread like this...where the OP seems to be saying "here...I read this somewhere today for anyone who cares" is just too crazy to believe.

After 9/11...the discussion about the "official" story and the things people were learning that were'nt being discussed in the media gave rise to the 9/11 forum where all discussion of the topic was relegated . Now I can see the wisdom in that to some degree but to me...and I want to paint this on the side of the BIG DU WALL, to ME, the discussions that were going on about the corruption of the Bush adminsitration that lead to the disbelief that the official story could be true had and still have MUCH MORE INTEGRITY that most of the spew I read in this joint.

Is that more clear? And thanks for requesting an explaination. It matters to me that someone cares enough to ask.

The Money Trust.

The Real Enemy.

The Dictatorship of the Future.

And finally, my thoughts on "Conspiracy Theories."

Nope. I'm not new here. Nor am I new to these ideas. Actually, read these last to first. :)

Good to meet you.

:hi:

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I WILL read your credentials. And you can ignore my last response to you as clearly you are on the bus.

I fear we are far too few.:hi:

The rest of us - we know better. "Just because you're paranoid DOESN'T mean they're not out to get you."

:D

She is the definition of constraint and patience.

We are isolated and too few, but our numbers grow every day, as evidenced by this and similar threads. The easiest analogy is the blue pill/red pill scene from the Matrix. More people take the red pill every day, and like the movie, the reality is not only hard to handle, but not what most expect it to be.

Most not only choose the blue pill, but will go to great lengths to avoid seeing what is before their eyes.

I saw that first Matrix movie and heard that simple analogy. It was like a tidal wave. One can feel very isolated...in your rusty old iron ship while the thousand robot slimy arms work all around and outside your head.

I practically wanted to ask them to stop the film while I wept for several months...powerful message...and then they followed it up with a couple of kung-foo flick sequels! Oh well...I guess they have to eat too.

You've both renewed my faith in this place tonight. Thanks. :grouphug:

From "us."

:grouphug:

conspiracy theories. I want to be you when I grow up. (and I'm 45 so how long have I got? ;-)

Very. Well. Done. Our mind is really all we have. Yours has clearly not been broken. I hope you don't mind if I share it with a few people who would feel very much comforted by it.

That's how it feels.

Share what I have with whomever you think might benefit and/or learn. Knowledge is power because it is not patented (as much as "they'd" like to say otherwise) and because it confers power from within (as much as "they'd" like to make that "evil.")

The most dangerous thing is power. How best to divert us from that "danger" than by equating it with corruption. The true "corruption," is the recognition that all we see and all we accept as "common knowledge" and "conventional wisdom" is corrupt to its very core.

Distribute. Infiltrate. "Corrupt."

Amazing stuff. My heros! Creative, brave, and quite right-on. Do you know about them? Now, that's a reality show I would watch on cable!

It's also a survival tool. It keeps me "sane." Though others might argue otherwise.

Stoicism is *not* the denial of feelings. It is the acceptance of those feelings and acknowledgement of same without "knee jerking" as response.

Remember, from pop culture, fear, is the mind killer.

One more. "The strong go crazy. The weak go along."

And were they completed? There have to be records.

2 stolen elections have made me lose faith in "records".

I've been SO frustrated here for SO long. The DU dungeon is a rats nest of trolls and agents who have no interest in unmasking the truth of 9/11. Quite the contrary, their sole aim is to keep it all bottled up under the diminutive and derogatory "conspiracy theory" monicker.

It is a conspiracy but it isn't exactly a "theory" any longer.

We have facts now. Not to be openly discussed in this forum, apparently, but they do exist.

Since the individuals and organizations who had the professional ability and responsibility to investigate 9/11 failed to do so, it it fell on citizen amateurs to pick up the slack. Nevertheless what we've found is more than enough to demand a formal, criminal inquiry.

Now if only we had a DoJ that was brave enough to bring it all forward and begin putting certain people under oath and cross-examination before a grand jury.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Cerridwen/76

I'd say you could tell anyone who plays the "conspiracy theorist" card that they should read this.

it's been nice here tonight. To be amongst friends. rare.

All you have to do is substitute "Bush" for "Kennedy" and "Iraq" for "Cuba" and you have the makings for 9/11.

That, and the fact Bush sat and did nothing when told we were under attack...

To see this and yell it loud and clear. This is more important than the stuff that came out earlier this week about the secrets of Bush. Nail him for 9/11 and that's it for him and his cabal and dare I say Poppy too.

The acid was free and there was no 10 year minimum sentencing for a first offense.

But more to your point I think, I mean the corporations who own the government, own the media. Certainly you know this. If not...I don't want to make light of your not knowing...I'd be happy to be forthcoming with whatI have learned if you'd genuinely like to know.

For example, GE..who owns 80% of NBC, is also a weapons manufacturer. Reagan used to work for GE...(!)
They divide their energies into these divisions (notice how they read like a war monger's shopping list)

Aviation
Aircraft Jet Engines
Electricity
Entertainment
Finance
Gas Turbine
Generation
Industrial Automation
Lighting
Medical Imaging Equipment
Medical Software
Motors
Railway Locomotives
Wind Turbine

this stuff. Are you still operating under the assumption that the media in this country are independent -- or that they feel any obligation to defend and protect the people of this country? Are you kidding me? You don't yet understand that THEY are the PRIMARY means of deception and control? The corporate owned media are not our friends. They represent the top two percent of wealth in this country. PROTECTING THEM (not us) IS THEIR JOB and they do it very, very well.

Right-on.

This vehicle did not have to power fuel consuming accessories such as air conditioners, and did not have a catalytic converter or other emissions control devices that sap fuel economy. It also had much low horsepower than today's vehicles. A better comparison might be the VW Beetle; although it was a rolling coffin, and also had few ammenities, it got better mpg than today's veicles, and could be entirely maintained and repaired by anyone with modest mechanical ability who could read a repair manual.

More shocking than the MPG comparisons are the fact that many early 20th century vehicles were electically powered, but the technology was almost entirely abandoned in favor of petroleum fueled vehicles.

On one hand, you'd have a conspiracy so vast that it strains credulity to the breaking point to think that the pack of halfwits just past could pull it off, let alone keep everyone involved quiet. As I heard one person put it... "Bush? You think HE was the mastermind? Cheney is an obvious suspect, but he couldn't get off a range where you "hunt" tethered animals without shooting an old man in the face!"

Colourful and kinda funny, but also raises a good point.

On the OTHER.....a vast array of things that don't make sense. A fire hot enough to vaporize an airplane weighing in excess of half a million pounds, yet human DNA survived? A crash site with no wreckage and a fairy tale of an explanation? No air defense available to protect what are arguably the two highest-value targets in the world (NYC and DC)? A building collapsing with no plausible explanation? NO explanation at all, no matter how implausible. And on and on......

Tell me where I'm wrong here, please.

I have given up

If you don't count the usurpation of Native America nations as imperialism. And we have been brainwashed since youth that the majority rule. Really? Since when have women occupied the White House or been the majority CEOs in the USA?

So these stories do not surprise me. I thank you for posting them. But what can you expect from a place that put Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WWII and let Prescott Bush and others palsy walsy with the Nazis?

:cry: :cry: :cry: :scared: :scared: :scared: :patriot:

for the U.S. it all begins with the Spanish American War. Lincoln's attempt to unify the country had only partially succeeded. The Northern industrialists were still resented by the South's landed gentry who had used poor white anger at the post-war occupation and Reconstruction to pass Jim Crow laws and essentially force the black population back into slavery. The 1898 war brought those diverging interests together: the Northern capitalists got new markets, the Southerners got to expand their holdings in Cuba and the blacks saw joining the war effort as a step towards winning back their citizenship.