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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:20 PM
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From the what did you expect file, RE: Ted Kennedy's knighthood
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 02:25 PM by RB TexLa
All I will say it Ted is much more civil than I. Don't think it will ever happen but if I were offered such, I'd tell the Queen and the UK government exactly where they could shove that sword they knight people with.


ANDREW ROBERTS: The obscenity of giving Ted Kennedy a knighthood
By Andrew Roberts
Last updated at 12:19 PM on 05th March 2009

The decision to award an honorary knighthood to Senator Edward Kennedy shows Britain at its most masochistic, New Labour at its most cynical and - if he accepts it - Kennedy at his most hypocritical.

To bestow such a distinction on a man who has spent almost all his adult life profoundly opposed to the United Kingdom's best interests also makes a mockery of the honours system.

Ever since Patrick Kennedy (Ted's Irish great-grandfather) set foot on Noddle Island, Boston, on April 21, 1849, the family has nursed a deep resentment against the country that they blame for forcing them out of County Wexford during the Great Potato Famine.

Over all matters concerning Ireland, the Kennedys have taken a pro-Nationalist line that has been deeply antagonistic to the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is why it is absurd for Gordon Brown to make this award, in the words of its official citation, 'for services to U.S.-UK relations and to Northern Ireland'.

For it is no exaggeration to say that Ted Kennedy did his damnedest to poison U.S.-UK relations over Ulster during the long decades in which he has castigated successive British governments. Rather than expressing any genuine commitment to peace in Northern Ireland, he would always play exclusively to his own Catholic-Irish voters in Massachusetts, whom he has represented in the Senate for more than 46 years.

Although he was always careful to use weasel words to condemn violence on both sides, it was always for Britain and the Ulster Protestants that he reserved his most withering rebukes. For the Queen to be obliged to honour this man is nothing less than an obscenity.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1159475/ANDREW-ROBERTS-The-obscenity-giving-Ted-Kennedy-knighthood.html

Edited to add: Now, there's a couple guys I'd like to have a beer with.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:22 PM
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1. lol Imperialist apologists still exist? nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:22 PM
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2. This article is crap on so many levels I can't begin to list them.The DailyMail is a rancid tabloid.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 05:00 PM
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8. Rancid. That's the word I was looking for!
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 05:01 PM by librechik
oh, and vile.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:25 PM
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3. Hey, Mr. Roberts
Let it go, man, let it go. Bet you're still pissed about the revolutionary war, aren't you.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:28 PM
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4. So...according to the author there is some form of benefit to lording over Ireland?
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 02:28 PM by YOY
Last I checked it was actually financially draning. That was a few years ago granted.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:32 PM
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5. kennedy was correct in supporting the Irish
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 02:34 PM by Vehl
He would have lost my respect if he had not. If any British imperial apologist thinks its a bad thing; then hard luck.lol
the rights of oppressed minorities around the world should be supported.

congratulations Mr. Kennedy for staying true to your convictions.:toast:
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aldo Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 03:37 PM
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6. It's a disgrace that he would lend his good name to that rat monarchy
It's an honor to the Brit monarchy, not the other way around. I don't know why he lets himself be used. The old colonial powers are still acting behind the scenes, causing great evil (see France in Haiti). The Brits also ruined FDR's intended worldwide legacy of the Four Freedoms.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 03:37 PM
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7. I admit that I was surprised that a good Irishman like Teddy
would be knighted, or even accept the honor. But, I guess it is a huge honor and you don't want to turn it down. It just proves that people can move on after the Troubles, I suppose.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 06:26 PM
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9. Also by Andrew Roberts: "History will show that George W Bush was right"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4241865/History-will-show-that-George-W-Bush-was-right.html

He's a right wing historian, who longs for the days of the British Empire. His opinion isn't worth shit, on any subject. What can you expect from George Bush's Favorite Historian?

As a historian, Roberts is present-minded in the extreme, returning at every stage of his narrative to justifications for Bush's actions in Iraq. The neoconservatives who want to spread democracy in the Middle East are the heirs to compassionate Victorians who sought to civilize India, China, and Africa. While the reader is still choking on the casting of Richard Perle as Lord Macaulay, Roberts is hard at work grafting Bush's head onto Winston Churchill's body. The president's prosecution of the war on terror is "vigorous" and "absolutely unwavering." His and Tony Blair's Iraq war has provided "excellent value for money" to the taxpayer. That Bush has brought "full democracy" to Iraq is stated as unequivocal fact.

Roberts has written several other well-regarded books, including a biography of Lord Salisbury, a Victorian prime minister of the post-Disraeli period. But it is hard to see how the form of ideological assertion that predominates here qualifies as historical scholarship, as opposed to polemic. A true historian explores questions; a great popular one can spin a good yarn while revealing complexities and surprises. Roberts musters a muscular narrative line but examines nothing at all. All charges against his Anglo-American Imperium are quickly dismissed, from the "supposed ill-treatment" of women and children in Boer War internment camps to the prison camp at Guantanamo, which he declares Bush is "right" to keep open. The fire-bombing of Dresden was "justified," the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki positive in various ways. The abuses at Abu Ghraib, Roberts writes, were of course overstated and resulted from "the fact that some of the military policemen involved were clearly little better than Appalachian mountain-cretins."


The Daily Mail is right wing dogshit, too. Please ignore it.
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