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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:27 PM
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It's Bush's Recession, Bush's Stock Market-"Don't let the Right own this argument"
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/03/its-bushs-recession-bushs-stock-market.html

It's Bush's Recession, Bush's Stock Market

By GottaLaff

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And The Motley Moose lays it out in a way even Rushpublicans can understand:

It is time to push back against the claims being tossed out there by the Right and the investor class.

#1: The stock market is not the economy. It is only one indicator of how the economy is doing and not a very good indicator at that, since it is driven so much by emotions and the gambling instinct.

#2: This is not Obama's market. The market started to tank long before Obama was even considered a realistic candidate by most people. The movement since Obama took office is only a continuation of the current trend on the market.

#3: Economic policies aren't the major force on the market, yet. The biggest problem for the market is the global economy. It is still unknown how much the financial firms will lose from their lousy investments.

#4: The economy under G. W. Bush was inflated by easy credit. Now that home equity has been wiped out and credit card debt is difficult and expensive the average person has little money to invest. What little they do have sure isn't going to go into a falling stock market.

#5: The investor class has taken a huge hit from the Bush recession (depression?). They have also been taking hits from fraudulent investments like the Maddof fund or Stanford's fund. They are justifiably leery of investing at this time.

It is really quite simple. This is George W. Bush's bear market, just as it is his recession. The market won't reverse course until the economic factors that are driving its downward trend start to reverse. The change to a new bull market won't be driven by any policies or announcements by Barack Obama. The market wouldn't reverse tomorrow even if Obama announced a 100% reduction in corporate taxes. The fundamentals just aren't there. <...>

Don't let the Right own this argument. Push back every chance you get.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:29 PM
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1. First K&R of the day.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:29 PM
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2. it's not just the "recession," it's the legislated theft via deregulation.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:32 PM
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3. "legislated theft via deregulation".....I like that.
Edited on Sun Mar-08-09 12:34 PM by yourout
We should start a thread of terms to be burned into the National Dialog.

"Legislated theft via deregulation"
"Sustainable Profitablity"
"Responsible Profitablity"
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:34 PM
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5. Here's a simpler way to say it...
Reaganomics.

I've been using "responsible business" for a long time, i.e.: "No, FReepers, I'm not anti-business, I'm anti-irresponsible-business."

NGU.

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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 02:34 PM
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11. voodoo economics
the smarter george called it.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:32 PM
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4. The Bush** Recession... The Bush** Bail-Out... The Bush** Unemployment Figures...
Whenever you talk about the economic meltdown, the prefix du jour is "The Bush** (Noun)."

Say it loud and say it often.

:hi: Thanks sister!

NGU.

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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:34 PM
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6. Soon to be "Bush Depression"
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 02:35 PM
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12. depWession
nt
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:39 PM
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7. Obama is responsible for the recession...
...in the same way obstetricians are responsible for babies.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 01:23 PM
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8. The "Right" Owns the Argument Because They Own All the Microphones
bring back the Fairness Doctrine!



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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 02:44 PM
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14. Join me in using web 2.0 to become the microphone....
PM me to join my Writers group.
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 01:25 PM
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9. Obama's only been in office for 50 days, and they're expecting the crisis to be fixed now?
At least Bush didn't pass his social security reform, or we would REALLY be screwed by now.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 01:44 PM
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10. That is right babylonsister.. that is right K&R
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 02:42 PM
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13. PM me to become my Face book friend & I'll invite you to my writers group where you can find
tons of financial info to use in your push backs. I use the Face Book group as a paste board also for quick copy, paste, edit so I can reuse my writing.

The number one thing I quote is Greenspan's Oct. 23 prepared remarks for congress from the Wall Street Journal

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/10/23/greenspan-testimony-on-sources-of-financial-crisis/

The money quote

"What went wrong with global economic policies that had worked so effectively for nearly four decades? The breakdown has been most apparent in the securitization of home mortgages. The evidence strongly suggests that without the excess demand from securitizers, subprime mortgage originations (undeniably the original source of crisis) would have been far smaller and defaults accordingly far fewer. But subprime mortgages pooled and sold as securities became subject to explosive demand from investors around the world. These mortgage backed securities being “subprime” were originally offered at what appeared to be exceptionally high risk-adjusted market interest rates. But with U.S. home prices still rising, delinquency and foreclosure rates were deceptively modest. Losses were minimal. To the most sophisticated investors in the world, they were wrongly viewed as a “steal.”

The consequent surge in global demand for U.S. subprime securities by banks, hedge, and pension funds supported by unrealistically positive rating designations by credit agencies was, in my judgment, the core of the problem. Demand became so aggressive that too many securitizers and lenders believed they were able to create and sell mortgage backed securities so quickly that they never put their shareholders’ capital at risk and hence did not have the incentive to evaluate the credit quality of what they were selling. Pressures on lenders to supply more “paper” collapsed subprime underwriting standards from 2005 forward. Uncritical acceptance of credit ratings by purchasers of these toxic assets has led to huge losses.

It was the failure to properly price such risky assets that precipitated the crisis. "

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 03:32 PM
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15. and Bush started the bailout before Obama was president...
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 06:04 PM
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16. This should be said every single day in any discussion about the Bush recession/depression.
Republicans (including those who vote Republican) own this one now and forever. Is your job in jeopardy, lose money on your 401K, lost on the stock market, and voted for a Republican Presidential, Gubernatorial, Senatorial, or Representative candidate in the last 30 years? It is your own fault.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 09:11 PM
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17. Republicans always want to count two ways
I say Obama has protected us from terrorist attacks for 50 days. I'll keep the tab running too, until it goes past the lousy 9 months Bush was able to protect us.
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