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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:11 AM
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Help please, need to find a Rush Limbaugh lie.
I have been "defied" to find a Rush Limbaugh lie that couldn't be dismissed as misunderstanding of scientific fact.

I haven't listened to his show since 1993.

Can anyone please send me pointers? Writing here because I think it's the fastest way to do it. I'm sortof on the clock :)

Thanks in advance!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:13 AM
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1. Here's a good one:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895

And, by the way, the "misunderstanding of scientific fact" defense of Limbaugh is pretty flimsy, given that he has a team of researchers. It basically means he's either an idiot or a liar, so which is it?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:14 AM
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3. Why does it have to be one or the other?
Could be he's an idiot and a liar, after all...
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:29 AM
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12. In "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot"...
Al Franken has a whole chapter on how being a researcher or factchecker for Pigboy is the easiest job in the world.

Just nothing to do at all

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:35 AM
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14. Yeah, the phone call to the factchecker in that book is hilarious n/t
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:14 AM
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2. Once, while on the ocean, someone asked me to help him find some salt water
Jeez, that's quite a task you're seeking there.

The two biggest areas in which he should be most readily caught in a lie, I think, would be in the dangers of smoking and the fact of global warming, though he's very careful to phrase his "facts" as "opinions" or "interpretations."

Rather than bothering with finding a lie, why not go after the "rampant hypocrisy" angle, starting with the punishments that Rush has advocated for abusers of prescription medications?
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:48 AM
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17. yes it's an obvious question. Thanks for helping me know where to start.
1) I have ignored the guy for 13 years
2) The 'challenge' (he wouldn't bet, dangit) was to find a deliberate misstatement of fact. Hypocrisy takes too long to argue over IM.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:54 AM
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18. True--and I apologize for sounding snarky
When I said that you'd "set yourself quite a task," what I meant wasn't that you'd picked an easy challenge, but rather that your field of potential targets is so vast as to be overwhelming. Upon rereading it, I see that it didn't come across that way. Sorry!

Others have answered more helpfully with links to MediaMatters, which I think is a great source, naturally.

And you're right about the hypocrisy--you could spend the rest of your life trying to persuade your friend, and at the end your friend would just say "well, you're entitled to your own opinion." Hardly worth the effort.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:14 AM
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4. here you go
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 09:17 AM by WoodrowFan
Media Matters documents quite a few, although to be honest, if the person you are debating doubts that Limbaugh lies, they may be so far gone that they'll deny it even when faced with documented facts.

Good luck.

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/rushlimbaugh

a sample
Limbaugh has also spread numerous rumors and conspiracy theories about the Clinton family, alleging that Hillary Rodham Clinton was involved in the 1993 suicide of deputy White House counsel Vincent Foster and peddling gay-baiting sexual innuendo about Clinton based on Edward Klein's error- and innuendo-filled book, The Truth About Hillary.



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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:39 AM
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15. Vince Foster
As I recall rush's hate speech in 1993, he actually seemed to be saying that Hillary murdered Foster or had him murdered.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:15 AM
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5. Media Matters for America is a good research source...
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:16 AM
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6. Here's two I found:
Limbaugh: "Don't let the liberals deceive you into believing that a decade of sustained growth without inflation in America (in the '80s) resulted in a bigger gap between the have and the have-nots. Figures compiled by the Congressional Budget Office dispel that myth".
Source: Limbaugh, The Way Things Ought to Be, p. 70
Reality: CBO numbers for after-tax incomes show that in 1980 the richest fifth of our country had eight times the income of the poorest fifth. By 1989, the ratio was more than 20-to-1.

Limbaugh: "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe".
Source: radio, 1993
Reality: The poorest 20 percent of Americans can purchase an average of $5,433 worth of goods with their income. Meanwhile, in Germany, the average person can purchase $20,610 worth of goods; in France, $19,200; in Britain, $16,730 (World Development Report 1994, published by the World Bank).

http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/rush.html
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:16 AM
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7. FAIR had an entire magazine filled with Rush's lies alone. Check out their website.
They likely have that issue available online.
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cdeca2005 Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:25 AM
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8. I can tell he is lying.......
.......because his lips are moving.

I am afraid you are in a losing fight with your ditto-head friend. If they can't see that Flush is a mean, bitter person, they are a lost cause.

Any interest I may have had in listening to Flush went down the crapper way back when he ridiculed Chelsea Clinton in the early 90's. I mean honestly, A grown man makes fun of a 13 year old child and his media career continues?

Sorry, I have not been much help. I think you are engaging in a futile effort.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:25 AM
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9. This should be 10 bucks well spent...
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:26 AM
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10. He said he "was not arrested"
for doctor shopping. The police department said it was an arrest.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:38 AM
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19. This might be the one!
thanks!!
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:27 AM
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11. that should be easy
just find any old place where his lips are moving and.....bingo!! :)
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:32 AM
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13. He wanted to throw the book at all drug users .....
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 09:38 AM by lpbk2713


.... that is, until he admitted under questioning that he WAS one.

Link: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/28/acd.01.html




Also, do a Google search on * Limbaugh + "Big Oil" * .... I'm sure you'll find all you can handle there. He's the biggest shill Big Oil has on their payroll.





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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:45 AM
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16. Here's a goldmine of information
The Way Things Really Are: Debunking Rush Limbaugh on the Environment
http://jcbmac.chem.brown.edu/baird/Chem22I/global/DebunkingRushLimbaugh.html

Some samples:
RUSH FICTION:

"Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines spewed forth more than a thousand times the amount of
ozone-depleting chemicals in one eruption than all the fluorocarbons manufactured by
wicked, diabolical, and insensitive corporations in history. . . . Conclusion: mankind
can't possibly equal the output of even one eruption from Pinatubo, much less billion
years' worth, so how can we destroy ozone?" 4/

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Limbaugh's numbers are completely off-base. Volcanoes emit two sorts of ozone-depleting
compounds. One is hydrochloric acid, but the amount of this chemical in the
stratosphere, measured before and after Pinatubo's eruption in 1991, was found to be
largely unchanged. 5/

The other ozone-depleting chemical emitted by Pinatubo, sulfur dioxide, is converted in
the stratosphere into tiny particles which, acting in combination with man-made
chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's), temporarily increased the rate of ozone depletion by several
percentage points during 1992 and 1993. 6/ Nevertheless, nearly all the particles
resulting from the Mt. Pinatubo eruption have already washed out of the atmosphere,
unlike CFC's, which remain in the stratosphere for as long as a century. 7/

Cumulatively speaking, Pinatubo's destructive effect on the ozone layer has been about
fifty times less than that of CFC's, rather than a thousand times greater, as Limbaugh
claims. Thus, his estimate is off by a factor of fifty thousand.

~

RUSH FICTION:

"It reminds me of the researchers who recently ventured into the forests of California.
Do you know what they found? No, not Algore. They found spotted owls. It seems the
place is teeming with spotted owls - even though they're supposed to be an endangered
species." 39/

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Fewer than two thousand pairs of the Northern spotted owl are thought to survive in
California forests -- a number that could hardly be described as "teeming". 40/ Even
more importantly, at a meeting of experts called by the U.S. government in December 1993
at Fort Collins, Colorado, virtually every biologist who presented data concluded that
the total numbers of the owl are still in decline. Moreover, the population loss rate
appears to be accelerating. 41/

On the whole, Limbaugh dealt with this issue more honestly in his first book, The Way
Things Ought to Be, when he asserted, "If the owl can't adapt to the superiority of
humans, screw it. . . ." 42/
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:41 AM
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