It's not funding 'the troops.' It's funding Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater USA.

The GOP owned & operated mainstream media has conditioned us to accept this false premise, so that any vote to cut off funds to Cheney Halliburton's corpora-terrorists is labeled as a cut-off of funding to 'the troops.'
A visit to Walter Reed Hospital reveals how the GOP treats 'the troops.'

I identify the actual recipient(s) of the funding - Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater USA - which has little to do with 'the troops.'

--Polar Bear

:hi:

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the English language. Also, it's touch-screen 'voting' and 'insurgent' in quotes.

In the case of the former, the machines are not actually for voting, but for installing the GOP candidate(s) on the ballot(s).

In the case of the latter, an insurgency doesn't exist without an *elected* government. And, the government in Iraq was installed by the Bush regime (another unelected government).

:)-Polar Bear

Yep.

Wait a minute! I'm from Texas, not Brooklyn! How'd I type that?!?

GMO seeds, and pay Monsanto for using them!
-Polar Bear

The rest of the pig slop in the trough for gov't contractors gets paid out of the "emergency supplementals."

Starve the contractor bastards, along with their stock holders. They're all way too fat, and can live a long time without any additional feeding.

Think lean meats.

In their minds we are winning the war because profits are great.

"To date Blackwater has trained some 30,000 sailors. Blackwater was officially awarded $35.7 million Navy contract "for force protection training that includes force protection fundamental training...armed sentry course training; and law enforcement training." This is from page 41: "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful
Mercenary Army" by Jeremy Scahill, Nation Books, NY NY 2007.

Now my question is that if Blackwater is basing its training on their experience in the
Navy Seals program then why didn't the Navy use their own instructors to provide this
training.

http://www.warprofiteers.com/article.php?list=type&type=176

Boeing
Lockheed Martin
Northrop Grumman
General Dynamics
Raytheon
United Technologies
Science Applications Internat'l Corp.
CSC/DynCorp

KNR!

We should take the next 100 billion Bush asks for and offer to pay it directly to the troops. So they'll get near a million each, and a flight home. See how the troops feel about that kind of funding, and see how the republicans bitch about it.

and give it to them with a lifetime membership at a resort, it would be cheaper than what
we are currently doing.

Give the money to the troops. Let them pick AND pay for their suppliers.

Isn't that what Bush stands for? The whole free markets thing?

They want the war to continue, to continue to line their pockets with greedy profits. If the funding is stopped, what will Halliburton/KBR/Blackwater do to gouge the taxpayer for additional funds?

K & R!

:kick:

As relates to the US "involvement" in Iraq there is a serious error in the language being used in Congress and faithfully parroted in the US media and following from that a grave misunderstanding about what went down today, what exactly was voted on and more importantly what was entirely omitted.

As was first put forth by the Bush adminstration and drummed into Americans heads via the corporate media the term that folks came to use to describe the pending invasion into the energy rich region of the Middle East "War on Iraq" and it is the same term used erroneously as the occupation grinds on. There is little questioning of this framework within the accepted political dialogue in Congress or amongst the pundits.

There is a small problem with that term that leads to a great deal of confusion. It is quite simply a lie. There is no "War on Iraq" nor has there ever been one.

There was an illegal invasion.

There is an illegal occupation.

There is a concentrated mass slaughter the likes of which the planet has not seen in decades.

There are massive amounts of militaristic corporate embezzlement.

And, lastly, there is a long list of war crimes.

Now what was voted on today when presented in these terms, which more accurately reflects the recent history and the everyday reality of the Iraqi people and more accurately represents the way the rest of the world sees the US invasion and occupation, may bring us to a very different set of conclusions about the validity of Pelosi's Plan. It certainly begs the question, "Why is it that the true nature of the United States ongoing atrocities in Iraq is not given the open debate it deserves?"

In the numerous speeches and discussions regarding this bill where was/is the term "War Crime?"

So tell me again how is this $124 billion bill going to stop the violence being visited upon the Iraqi people?

This is a bill that merely gives Bush over $100 billion to continue "The War", with no real strings attached. It gives him a free hand to attack Iran. There are scores of loopholes in it which would allow troops to remain in Iraq past Sept 2008; all Bush needs to do is claim the troops are there not for "combat" but rather for other purposes (such as fighting Al Qaeda, or training Iraqi troops, or guarding US installations, & or other task descriptions which are just word games to avoid calling it "combat").

The only thing in it that is a "step" towards ending "The War" is vague toothless language aiming at a pullout of combat troops by Aug 31, 2008.

This bill is not a step towards ending "The War." It's just a way that allows for some posturing as critics of "The War" until the 2008 elections, even while their actual votes support & fund "The War." It imposes no real restrictions on Bush, and is in practice no different than what he himself would most like.

K&R

The things people have been discussing in this thread are questions, statements & soundbites that need to hit the web over & over, and spill over into the streets.



:kick::kick::kick:

So obvious and so true, yet too few Americans realize it. This isn't a war, this is robbery.


Another big :kick:

available. The war begins at home. It feeds on the Pat Tillmans and the slogans: dead or alive, with us or against us, whatever it takes, stay the course, turn the corner, etc. Course, slogans and spin can defraud a people who believe they are free and trust their government, but they can't change reality.

Good catch, Polar Bear. Somehow, "support the contractors" doesn't have the same patriotic zing.

Will post a photo once I do.

:woohoo:

The complicit representatives are owned by the very
corporations who profit most from the madness, as are
the so called network news stations.
We, the people, be fucked.
BHN

The complicit representatives are owned by the very
corporations who profit most from the madness, as are
the so called network news stations.
We, the people, be fucked.
BHN

I saw an expose a few years ago that said that the Pentagon has money reserve accounts they have been building since Eisenhower, that dwarf the GNP.

attacks and cover-up?

If we cut off funding for the war, we cut off the funding for these liars and murderers.

:) :+ :hi:

--Polar Bear

overcharging the Pentagon, but we never hear about Cheney-Halliburton's pork.

its been that way since 2003. Nothing new

accountability.

you want.

Congress is messy.

Democracy is messy when the people speak.

It's not the funding you know you don't have it's the funding you don't know you don't have.

Congress will stand down when the Pres sits down ands shut up.

We will leave Iraq when the majority of the dentist blogers in Iraq say there is peace.

Foreign policy via iraqi bloggers.?. Is that from the Bushschool of foreign policy?