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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:23 PM
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Blame the victim
Should Covergirl drop Rihanna?
Yes 62% 58,019
No 38% 35,344


http://www.popeater.com/music/article/rihannas-covergirl-ads/381803
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:24 PM
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1. Disgusting.
Just disgusting, the poll and the numbers.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:26 PM
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2. Why would this even be a poll?
What an utter lack of compassion :puke:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:27 PM
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5. The company is circulating the poll.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:27 PM
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3. Are you refering to
Revlon or the kids?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:27 PM
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:31 PM
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9. Get yourself educated on domestic violence or keep your mouth shut.
It usually takes a woman several times to leave an abusive partner.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:32 PM
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10. well put and thank you. eom
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:37 PM
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13. I little more direct than my post.
But yeah.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:37 PM
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12. Yeah, they do. They are not only victims of the beating, but also of our sexist society
Just about all of our entertainment sources create the myth of the subservient woman and the dominant male, and yet we are so stunned when men and women believe this myth. Stand by your man, work hard to save the relationship no matter what, love conquers all.

Rihanna is a pretty kid who is almost as much a victim of society's myths as she is of Chris Brown. She probably even believes she brought it on herself.

Then there's that whole American mythology that argues that violence is a good way to handle a problem, but that's another story.
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tangent90 Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:43 PM
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19. Fool me once, shame on you...
you know the drill even if W didn't.

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:40 PM
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16. Yeah?
So you'd get all Burning Bed on an abuser's ass, right? Regular don't fuck with me beat down? If it's a stalking I'll Hunt You Down and Kill You situation, perhaps you'd Just Leave and never look back? No worries at all huh?
Maybe--- Move to a new city? Oh, A new country. Grab the kids and go. Must be nice to have all those resources.

Explain please, what a "real victim" is. A dead one? A sufficiently bruised and bloody one?

BTW "the perp"? What is this, CSI?
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tangent90 Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:42 PM
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18. Take a pill. Or five.
Does that woman who I never heard of before a couple weeks ago (but who rides around in a Lamborghini) not have the ability to get away from a thug???
jeezus...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:48 PM
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21. What do you know about relationships?
personally I mean. Have any friends, family members that have experienced violence? You, personally maybe participated in a little smacking around? The only reason I ask, is that I find that many people that like to portray the victim as the problem, have a little nasty going on in themselves.
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tangent90 Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:08 PM
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24. Do NOT fucking lecture me about domestic violence. My mom was a victim
when I was a little kid...stayed with him for some years because she had no way at all to provide for us. We grew up and she was able to get away...the situation was completely different from the one in this discussion.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:17 PM
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28. I'm not 'fucking lecturing'
you..just making an observation by the words you wrote as they appeared on the page. You sure seem to have a thing for this woman you know nothing about. Maybe it's just her picture you don't like?
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tangent90 Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 04:01 PM
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31. I don't dislike or like her. All I know about her is she seems to be some sort of celebrity
and far from being dead broke. If she has no resources or any ability to generate some, I retract my comments. Is that the case?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:26 PM
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29. As someone who has seen domestic violence, one would think you'd have more compassion...
....so much for assumptions.

There are those who would also blame your mother for her situation. She continued to expose children to a violent home...bad mother. What she had no relatives? Bad mother. There are social programs that take in abused women and children, why didn't she use them? The police? Were they ever called? See, shit like what I wrote is what "blaming the victim" really is! Your mother, not unlike Rhianna, are victims of a sexist society which allow for the subjugation of women. It isn't always a matter of having the means of escaping physically, as many women have been conditioned not to escape.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:33 PM
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30. Right.
Difficult experiences tend to do one of two things: either they result in growth, or a person becomes callous. It's unfortunate that there are people who can see their own mother abused, but rather than have compassion and understanding, choose to blame the victims of that same type of abuse.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:56 PM
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22. The thug has as many resources as she has
so even if she sells the Lamborghini and hocks the jewelry, she still won't be able to get far enough away from the bastard, especially if she's still working in show business and visible.

Abusive men are something like 75% more likely to kill if the victim leaves.

Your post shows we still don't recognize it's not the woman's fault.
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tangent90 Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:09 PM
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25. see my reply to 'stillcool'
...
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:48 PM
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20. Yes, they do.
It's a spectacularly dumb move. But it doesn't mean they're not victims.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:28 PM
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6. more....
Nearly half of Boston-area teenagers say Rihanna was responsible for pop star Chris Brown's alleged Grammy night attack that landed her in the hospital, according to a new survey by the Boston Public Health Commission.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/2009/mar/16/rihanna-usa
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:29 PM
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8. Sad.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:28 PM
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7. Which victim? Rihanna or the young women who will follow her example until they become victims, too?
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 02:28 PM by jobycom
This part is horrifying:
"In another survey, Boston teens find Rihanna partially to blame for Chris Brown's alleged actions.
The Boston Herald reports that almost a half of the kids who participated think she's responsible for the attack.
200 Boston children were questioned, 51% said Brown was responsible, 46% said Rihanna was and 52% said they were both to blame."
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:33 PM
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11. I love statistics....
149% of the kids responded, who was responsible
51% he was
46% she was
52% both were

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:42 PM
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17. heh. I kind of assumed they asked "who was more responsible?"
so that respondents could say both were responsible, but one or the other was moreso. But that's an assumption not based on the article, which doesn't explain the poll at all.
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:38 PM
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14. She by her latest actions is no longer an appropriate corporate spokesperson. nt
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:39 PM
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15. Actually she is perfect for cover girl--she can demonstrate how the proper makeup can
hide a black eye. But, seriously, no this shouldn't affect her career with the company. It's idiotic. If anybody should be dropped it's the guy who abused her from his recording label.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:58 PM
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23. That may be exactly the image they hope to avoid, if they drop her.
Two points: first, from a corporate position, that's an image they really don't want. "We make the makeup to hide your shame." That cross-reference alone might make them want to drop her.

Second, if the drop her it shouldn't be because of the beating but because of the message she sends by going back to Brown. That's another image a company marketing to women does not want to create around itself. That's not a message they want to broadcast to their customers.

On the other hand, dropping her could create the impression that they thought she was damaged goods, that being beaten somehow was her fault and they did not want such flawed images associated with them.

How'd you like to be the PR exec to work through that quandry, either way? You keep her, you're sending a bad message, you dump her, you're sending a bad message. Must be like John McCain figuring out what to say about Bush.
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nevia sky Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:13 PM
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26. What is going on?
When will we realize that domestic violence is not the fault of the person being abused?!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:15 PM
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27. Sound to me like they could exploit it and move product by keeping her.
Not unlike the idea for Rhianna and Chris Brown to sing a duet together and sell that.
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Mushroom Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 06:26 PM
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32. I'm not surprised
http://www.slate.com/id/2109242/

:think:

Rihanna is SURROUNDED by hypocrisy. Was it just a dream that a democrat was elected?

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